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On 12/12/05, Yanis Batura <ybatura@mail.ru> wrote:
>
> {za'u re'u} seems very far-fetched: (greater than ?)-th-time (according to
> the CLL).
>
> This could be applied not only to "one more time", but also to all next
> times (times with ordinal numbers greater than current).

It would be "(greater than one)-th time". {za'u}  is {za'u pa} by default.
And yes, it can apply to any time after the first one. Why is it far
fetched? It means "other than for the first time", which seems to me
to be the same as "one more time" or "again".

> I have carefully looked through the chapter 18 of the CLL and to my surprise
> haven't found any cmavo with the following meanings:
>
> "???  preceding ordinal" (like the operator -- of the C)
>
> "???  succeeding ordinal"(like the operator ++ of the C)
>
> In Peano axioms of arithmetics
> (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peano_axioms) the precedence
> operator is the main tool to construct all natural numbers.

I'm not sure how necessary it would be to have separate words for
them, you can always construct them as {su'i pa} and {vu'u pa}.

> This operator, if had existed, could easily be used to construct "once more"
> or "again".

If the operator was in VUhU, it wouldn't work, at least not with the
current grammar, which only allows numbers (PA strings) in front
of  {re'u}. But whether or not the successor and predecessor operators
would be useful, I don't see a problem with {za'u re'u}.

mu'o mi'e xorxes