Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-beginners); Wed, 21 Dec 2005 08:24:00 -0800 (PST) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1Ep6ky-0008LK-C6 for lojban-beginners-real@lojban.org; Wed, 21 Dec 2005 08:24:00 -0800 Received: from wproxy.gmail.com ([64.233.184.201]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1Ep6kw-0008LC-HC for lojban-beginners@lojban.org; Wed, 21 Dec 2005 08:24:00 -0800 Received: by wproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id 68so165244wri for ; Wed, 21 Dec 2005 08:23:57 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=THZ7z3IFa3XODxp85VmnnAsnighwktCa2GjnGJ9q30sGSYOO2OAIxydIAIqdY6DcGh5lldjpg/gFvcBrawbToQezPqTM4nM9lygYMyAHQeCc+s294t0Qrf0mxIe9RCIzDLaShgmDiYkC3/XFUe31rdnsURisHU/tazJvfur+hvA= Received: by 10.54.71.11 with SMTP id t11mr1019823wra; Wed, 21 Dec 2005 08:23:57 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.54.68.7 with HTTP; Wed, 21 Dec 2005 08:23:57 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <925d17560512210823j419472e0ia0c0848baadca38b@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2005 13:23:57 -0300 From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jorge_Llamb=EDas?= To: lojban-beginners@lojban.org Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: lunra In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by Ecartis Content-Disposition: inline References: X-Spam-Score: -2.6 (--) X-archive-position: 2831 X-Approved-By: jjllambias@gmail.com X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: jjllambias@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-beginners@lojban.org X-list: lojban-beginners Content-Length: 1126 la filip cusku di'e > la .ianis. cu cusku di'e > > {mi viska pa lunra} would be clumsy. > > You think so? I would think so too. Using an outer quantifier, even if making a strictly true claim, would seem to suggest that there are other moons that I don't see. If there is only one moon, it doesn't make a lot of sense to say that the number of moons that I see is exactly one. The same goes for {su'o} or {ro}, if there is only one moon, saying that I see at least one of them, or each of them is equally misleading, even though it is true. {mi viska pa lunra} makes sense if your purpose is to say that you see exactly one moon: Earth's, not any of Jupiter's for example. > {mi viska lo pa lunra} might also be worth considering - roughly, "I see all > of those one things which are moons". That is what I would say to indicate that there is only one moon in the universe of discourse. "I see the one moon". > > By the way, is there a selbri for "unique"? selte'i: "x1 is/are the only thing(s) with property x2 among x3" So perhaps: pavyselte'i: "x1 is the unique thing with property x2 among x3" mu'o mi'e xorxes