Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-beginners); Fri, 17 Feb 2006 11:17:48 -0800 (PST) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1FAAr1-0007ut-Rx for lojban-beginners-real@lojban.org; Fri, 17 Feb 2006 11:01:19 -0800 Received: from smtp.mail.umich.edu ([141.211.93.160] helo=skycaptain.mr.itd.umich.edu) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1FAAqz-0007uj-19 for lojban-beginners@lojban.org; Fri, 17 Feb 2006 11:01:19 -0800 Received: FROM gravitar.gpcc.itd.umich.edu (gravitar.gpcc.itd.umich.edu [141.211.2.219]) BY skycaptain.mr.itd.umich.edu ID 43F61D79.E77B4.17260 ; 17 Feb 2006 14:01:15 -0500 Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2006 14:01:13 -0500 (EST) From: Alex Joseph Martini X-X-Sender: alexjm@gravitar.gpcc.itd.umich.edu To: lojban-beginners@lojban.org Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: Attitudinal use (was: Subjunctive in Lojban) In-Reply-To: <20060217170908.GB8619@netbsdbox.apache.home> Message-ID: References: <3DE4E0C2-34FA-4CDB-A3A1-D0EBD27F7D86@umich.edu> <20060217001040.GA26978@chain.digitalkingdom.org> <2904794D-D415-4161-AF22-2B018EE3667E@umich.edu> <925d17560602170547l2cfcb393l8bbc2856f1bdb4ed@mail.gmail.com> <20060217170908.GB8619@netbsdbox.apache.home> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Spam-Score: -2.6 (--) X-archive-position: 3066 X-Approved-By: rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: alexjm@umich.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-beginners@lojban.org X-list: lojban-beginners Content-Length: 610 [ cut ] > > I thought attitudinals reflect the *speaker* feelings, not x1's > feelings. eg: {.ui la djan klama} means "[i am happy :] john is > coming" not "john is [happily] coming" > > IMHO, in {.ei la djan klama le zarci}, {.ei} doesn't pertain to john, > not the speaker. Am I completly wrong ? > > mi'e jol > That's how I understood them. {.ui la djan. klama} should be "I am happy, John comes/goes". There is the cmavo {dai} for empathy which would give us {la djan. .uidai klama} as "John is happy, John comes/goes". (ref Chapter 13 Section 10 of CLL especially example 10.10) mu'omi'e .alex.