Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-beginners); Fri, 12 May 2006 03:50:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.61) (envelope-from ) id 1FeVDk-0000X0-BJ for lojban-beginners-real@lojban.org; Fri, 12 May 2006 03:50:08 -0700 Received: from phma.optus.nu ([166.82.175.165] helo=blackcat.ixazon.lan) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.61) (envelope-from ) id 1FeVDj-0000Wp-90 for lojban-beginners@lojban.org; Fri, 12 May 2006 03:50:08 -0700 Received: by blackcat.ixazon.lan (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 0846A15A1; Fri, 12 May 2006 10:50:11 +0000 (UTC) From: Pierre Abbat To: lojban-beginners@lojban.org Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: imperative {mi}? Date: Fri, 12 May 2006 06:50:06 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.8.3 References: <20060510032054.GA26944@ginosko> <537d06d00605120242q39e5d413sf8fe719e033d8c5@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <537d06d00605120242q39e5d413sf8fe719e033d8c5@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200605120650.08541.phma@phma.optus.nu> X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-archive-position: 3194 X-Approved-By: phma@phma.optus.nu X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: phma@phma.optus.nu Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-beginners@lojban.org X-list: lojban-beginners Content-Length: 729 On Friday 12 May 2006 05:42, Philip Newton wrote: > "To pay a bill" doesn't seem to map well into the place structure of > {pleji}, since the bill is neither the recipient of the payment nor > the service paid for, and while {janta} is good for "bill", I'm not > sure how to specify that it's a phone bill -- what goes into x2? {lo > se fonxa} "the telephone network"? But that's not a service... {lo te > selfu pe lo se fonxa} "the service loosely associated with the > telephone network"? I suggest making a lujvo {jatle'i}. j2=p4, j3=p1, and j4=p3. I think j2 is lo nu pilno le fonxa. How do we distinguish a bill from an account? I have had one account with the phone company for the last year, but twelve bills. phma