Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-beginners); Wed, 03 May 2006 09:17:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.61) (envelope-from ) id 1FbJu0-0002SO-8j for lojban-beginners-real@lojban.org; Wed, 03 May 2006 09:08:36 -0700 Received: from web38509.mail.mud.yahoo.com ([209.191.125.55]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with smtp (Exim 4.61) (envelope-from ) id 1FbJty-0002SG-F5 for lojban-beginners@lojban.org; Wed, 03 May 2006 09:08:36 -0700 Received: (qmail 47473 invoked by uid 60001); 3 May 2006 16:08:32 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=ZsMrOcs36DhcGyDgc3OxGUvdCty6L5i0tYO/tqKVd+HpXiMB1pPFqVXJ8Nv6o4IxgV2v2P3oCs9gMuNIVmG78NBrr+CU6Lk6/SFs1eadHQo4eFId6cKGmQvdV7WyYm8buNkwiCdGUgBRQaUhq/VUU2xUuMs22hqkFn6SLMfSs3s= ; Message-ID: <20060503160832.47471.qmail@web38509.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [128.111.97.78] by web38509.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 03 May 2006 09:08:32 PDT Date: Wed, 3 May 2006 09:08:32 -0700 (PDT) From: c k Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: needed be? To: lojban-beginners@lojban.org In-Reply-To: <200605030605.29786.phma@phma.optus.nu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-780555027-1146672512=:45247" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Score: -0.6 (/) X-archive-position: 3173 X-Approved-By: jkominek@miranda.org X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: letsclimbhigher@yahoo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-beginners@lojban.org X-list: lojban-beginners Content-Length: 2775 --0-780555027-1146672512=:45247 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Pierre Abbat wrote: On Monday 01 May 2006 11:11, c k wrote: > coi rodo > > In the following bridi, why is "be" needed? > > mi djuno fi le jai ca morsi be fai la djan. > > co'o {fai} is like {fi} and {fo} (but not {fym}). Since {morsi} has an article, its sumti comes after {be}. .i mi djuno fi le jai ca morsi be fai la djan. .i mi djuno fi le se morsi be fo la djan. You probably mean {mrobi'o}, as {la djan. morsi} is true for an indefinitely long interval. Pierre ki'e Is {jai} the article you refer to, or is the article {jai ca}? In your second bridi there, what is {fo} doing in there? Are you just demonstrating that it doesn't matter what sumti place {la djan.} is placed in since it is being added on with a {be}? btw, the intent of the original bridi appears to be to make a statement wherein the speaker knew the time of john's death. ck --------------------------------- How low will we go? Check out Yahoo! Messenger’s low PC-to-Phone call rates. --0-780555027-1146672512=:45247 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit

Pierre Abbat <phma@phma.optus.nu> wrote:
On Monday 01 May 2006 11:11, c k wrote:
> coi rodo
>
> In the following bridi, why is "be" needed?
>
> mi djuno fi le jai ca morsi be fai la djan.
>
> co'o

{fai} is like {fi} and {fo} (but not {fym}). Since {morsi} has an article, its
sumti comes after {be}.

.i mi djuno fi le jai ca morsi be fai la djan.
.i mi djuno fi le se morsi be fo la djan.

You probably mean {mrobi'o}, as {la djan. morsi} is true for an indefinitely
long interval.

Pierre
ki'e
 
Is {jai} the article you refer to, or is the article {jai ca}?
 
In your second bridi there, what is {fo} doing in there?  Are you just demonstrating that it doesn't matter what sumti place {la djan.} is placed in since it is being added on with a {be}?
 
btw, the intent of the original bridi appears to be to make a statement wherein the speaker knew the time of john's death.
 
ck

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