Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-beginners); Wed, 03 May 2006 10:56:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.61) (envelope-from ) id 1FbLac-0003wW-Qx for lojban-beginners-real@lojban.org; Wed, 03 May 2006 10:56:42 -0700 Received: from wr-out-0506.google.com ([64.233.184.235]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.61) (envelope-from ) id 1FbLab-0003wM-48 for lojban-beginners@lojban.org; Wed, 03 May 2006 10:56:42 -0700 Received: by wr-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id i24so170139wra for ; Wed, 03 May 2006 10:56:39 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=cM+OIR8HvKIy8Zt5/q8J6SJXZlsd3IP3rbestA3YEfrM9c4WON7nGpTzJH450zIJ84ymz95UV3ZCZHEpWe6HahFCXFoVd6bZqJNX/evnLeLqfZutd/cpHEUOxGWtr8d054BakTboof6Kfb7rThtUE4+48niEXV4+vpKTDeXupWs= Received: by 10.54.66.17 with SMTP id o17mr2262110wra; Wed, 03 May 2006 10:56:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.54.126.18 with HTTP; Wed, 3 May 2006 10:56:39 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <925d17560605031056g4e0ba9e6pfc7e1996091f7c35@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 3 May 2006 14:56:39 -0300 From: "=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jorge_Llamb=EDas?=" To: lojban-beginners@lojban.org Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: needed be? In-Reply-To: <20060503160832.47471.qmail@web38509.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by Ecartis Content-Disposition: inline References: <200605030605.29786.phma@phma.optus.nu> <20060503160832.47471.qmail@web38509.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Spam-Score: -2.6 (--) X-archive-position: 3174 X-Approved-By: jjllambias@gmail.com X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: jjllambias@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-beginners@lojban.org X-list: lojban-beginners Content-Length: 733 On 5/3/06, c k wrote: > > > > mi djuno fi le jai ca morsi be fai la djan. > > btw, the intent of the original bridi appears to be to make a statement > wherein the speaker knew the time of john's death. That's probably the intent, but it contains two common errors: 1- Using {morsi} "is-dead" instead of {mrobi'o} "dies". The time of someone's death is the time when they die (become dead), not any time in which they are dead. 2- Using {djuno fi ko'a}, "knowing something about it", when the intent is {djuno lo du'u ma kau me ko'a}, "knowing what it is". Knowing what the time of John's death is is more specific than knowing something unspecified about the time of John's death. mu'o mi'e xorxes