Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-beginners); Tue, 13 Jun 2006 13:46:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.62) (envelope-from ) id 1FqFmW-0005CA-Jl for lojban-beginners-real@lojban.org; Tue, 13 Jun 2006 13:46:36 -0700 Received: from py-out-1112.google.com ([64.233.166.181]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.62) (envelope-from ) id 1FqFmV-0005Bz-RC for lojban-beginners@lojban.org; Tue, 13 Jun 2006 13:46:36 -0700 Received: by py-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id x31so63261pye for ; Tue, 13 Jun 2006 13:46:34 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=LQzzbDaVZQQWBwCNBMHufOU1JepyhmE/bjqjeEJXb+jytxZfXYbkdUwoeGgwdAD6RgYxcoax9VJ/92bUrXbb/dbJMkdkddI5wHC2gSFZEU9Cwq0nFEl0AQcbsgjmCEU9EaGou+xsGZOuo2GFh41cU2RGJOQ7TISOKfYoE5GJSXU= Received: by 10.35.84.16 with SMTP id m16mr3496421pyl; Tue, 13 Jun 2006 13:46:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.35.14.7 with HTTP; Tue, 13 Jun 2006 13:46:34 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <925d17560606131346h77910baeq7fa3fe6d3a5ab351@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2006 17:46:34 -0300 From: "=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jorge_Llamb=EDas?=" To: lojban-beginners@lojban.org Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: No rafsi for jdika? In-Reply-To: <20060613170108.84972.qmail@web37910.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <20060613170108.84972.qmail@web37910.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Spam-Score: -1.8 (-) X-archive-position: 3249 X-Approved-By: jjllambias@gmail.com X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: jjllambias@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-beginners@lojban.org X-list: lojban-beginners Content-Length: 694 On 6/13/06, c k wrote: > > mi ca tsamau > "I now am-stronger." > > mi ca tsaze'a > "I increase in strength." > > mi ca tsame'a > "I now am-weaker." > > But then what about {jdika}? It seems to have no rafsi, so how do you say, > "I decrease in strength."? mi ca tsajdika Every gismu has two long rafsi: one that looks exactly like the gismu itself, and which can only be used in final position to form a lujvo, and another one that is obtained by replacing the final vowel of the gismu with 'y', and which can only be used in non-final position. In addition to those two long rafsi, many but not all gismu have one, two or three short rafsi. mu'o mi'e xorxes