Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-beginners); Tue, 04 Jul 2006 15:22:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.62) (envelope-from ) id 1FxtHm-0003mi-SE for lojban-beginners-real@lojban.org; Tue, 04 Jul 2006 15:22:26 -0700 Received: from ug-out-1314.google.com ([66.249.92.174]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.62) (envelope-from ) id 1FxtHl-0003mb-Vy for lojban-beginners@lojban.org; Tue, 04 Jul 2006 15:22:26 -0700 Received: by ug-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id j40so1856181ugd for ; Tue, 04 Jul 2006 15:22:23 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=ElC/YYX8fueR4vKg3qB+XBV6lsWKCaKXEuowLYMjFFNKhPEOsNEmCngfhKwYDxVB+OJXjJCcnpFnqKdKQJp1bX5HwIIssYvaH7DLN6l8XgUODDShV4STkKNn55TP5n3Vbcr7ZEssJQZ+gVLbeHiL81+bwhhgSacSRoOZmYaeS4o= Received: by 10.67.89.5 with SMTP id r5mr7012230ugl; Tue, 04 Jul 2006 15:22:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.67.30.12 with HTTP; Tue, 4 Jul 2006 15:22:23 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Tue, 4 Jul 2006 18:22:23 -0400 From: "Jonathan Gibbons" To: lojban-beginners@lojban.org Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: RK-like diagramming: Anyone interested? In-Reply-To: <44AAE516.0@hypermetrics.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <44AAC810.2070300@hypermetrics.com> <44AADE4C.3080601@hypermetrics.com> <44AAE516.0@hypermetrics.com> X-Spam-Score: -2.1 (--) X-archive-position: 3331 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: jonored@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-beginners@lojban.org X-list: lojban-beginners Content-Length: 1082 I do understand that enrichment could occur, such as notating identical sumti (You could do that in general, having a consistent way of noting the extra semantic information that "le ckafi" and "le cmalu ckafi" share a referrent. Thinking about it, parse trees for programming languages regularly have a representation for "this is the same thing", because part of what they are for needs to have that information...). What I am suggesting, on the other hand, is that it probably would be appropriate to have the majority of the diagram be the parse tree; given that the rules for semantic/syntactic groupings are already well-defined. And I wasn't suggesting generating them automatically - there are few better ways to understand the operation of a formal structure, like parsing Lojban, than by doing a manual trace... I'm more saying that it's not like doing a sentence diagram for English, which is imposing an order onto something that does not neccesarily have that order, but rather is expressing an order that is already fully there in a more instructive way. -Jonathan