Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-beginners); Tue, 04 Jul 2006 18:48:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.62) (envelope-from ) id 1FxwVa-0002pY-Iw for lojban-beginners-real@lojban.org; Tue, 04 Jul 2006 18:48:54 -0700 Received: from phma.optus.nu ([166.82.175.165] helo=ixazon.dynip.com) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.62) (envelope-from ) id 1FxwVY-0002pP-Oj for lojban-beginners@lojban.org; Tue, 04 Jul 2006 18:48:54 -0700 Received: from [192.168.25.19] (unknown [192.168.25.19]) by ixazon.dynip.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 27D43CE675 for ; Tue, 4 Jul 2006 21:48:40 -0400 (EDT) From: Pierre Abbat To: lojban-beginners@lojban.org Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: RK-like diagramming: Anyone interested? Date: Tue, 4 Jul 2006 21:48:24 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.1 References: <44AAC810.2070300@hypermetrics.com> <44AADE4C.3080601@hypermetrics.com> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200607042148.25751.phma@phma.optus.nu> X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-archive-position: 3333 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: phma@phma.optus.nu Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-beginners@lojban.org X-list: lojban-beginners Content-Length: 909 On Tuesday 04 July 2006 17:49, Jonathan Gibbons wrote: > I was under the impression that that's one of the special things about > this language - that a particular syntactic structure associated > unambiguously with a particular semantic structure. So, for instance, > a tanru is a seltau/tertau pair, where either may be itself a tanru, > and the semantic meaning of that syntactis structure is that the > seltau in some manner modifies or restricts the meaning of the > tertau... so a parse tree that displays the nonterminal for a tanru > and has as leaves the seltau and tertau /would/ emphasize the semantic > meaning. True for tanru and most other constructions, but not for some conjunctions. For instance, {lo snomabru ku ce lo cakmabru ku ce lo mantyctimabru} denotes the set {sloth, armadillo, anteater}, not the set {{sloth, armadillo}, anteater}, which is what the parse tree implies. phma