Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-beginners); Fri, 11 Aug 2006 15:52:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.62) (envelope-from ) id 1GBfrj-0004Em-Mv for lojban-beginners-real@lojban.org; Fri, 11 Aug 2006 15:52:31 -0700 Received: from ms-smtp-04.texas.rr.com ([24.93.47.43]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.62) (envelope-from ) id 1GBfrh-0004Ef-QM for lojban-beginners@lojban.org; Fri, 11 Aug 2006 15:52:31 -0700 Received: from [192.168.1.103] (cpe-66-68-161-49.austin.res.rr.com [66.68.161.49]) by ms-smtp-04.texas.rr.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k7BMqRPC002641 for ; Fri, 11 Aug 2006 17:52:27 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <44DD0A2B.2080001@hypermetrics.com> Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2006 17:52:27 -0500 From: Hal Fulton User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0RC1 (X11/20041209) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: lojban-beginners@lojban.org Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: the articles "le" and "lo" References: <44DB3F46.3080203@freenet.de> In-Reply-To: <44DB3F46.3080203@freenet.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-Spam-Score: -2.6 (--) X-archive-position: 3499 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: hal9000@hypermetrics.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-beginners@lojban.org X-list: lojban-beginners Content-Length: 570 Michael Graff wrote: > What puzzles me are these correspondences: > definite <-> described as > indefinite <-> really is That says in a nutshell something that has bothered me subconsciously for a long time. I don't think the people who answered you addressed this specifically either (unless I overlooked it). On top of that, I have never seen the need for the distinction between "described as" and "really is." Sometimes I may use metaphors or something; but in general, when I "describe something as" a foobar, I basically mean it "really is" a foobar. Hal