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> Wouldn't {lu'o vo lo ninmu cu cinba la rikis.martin.} translate to "four
> women, as a group, kiss Ricky Martin."?


Yes, it would mean a group of any four women.


> I was taught, in previous sections, that {vo lo ninmu} was a way to say

"three women" instead of "the three women" which was introduced

earlier as {le vo ninmu}.


*Four* women :), but yes, LfB deals articles this way. It doesn't let You
say {lo vo ninmu}, for that would mean "all the four women in the world".
Although if You'd like to stick to xorlo (which is recommended) here's a
list of the variations:
{lo vo ninmu} - Any four women (maybe as a mass, maybe not).
{lu'o lo vo ninmu}, also {loi vo ninmu} - Any four women as a mass.
{vo lo ninmu} or just {vo ninmu} - Any four women individually.
{lu'o vo lo ninmu} or just {lu'o vo ninmu} - Any four women as a mass.

{ci lo vo ninmu} - 3 times four women, that is, twelve women (maybe
in 3 separate masses, maybe individually).
{ci lu'o lo vo ninmu}, also {ci loi vo ninmu} - 3 independent masses
of four women.
Et cetera.

({le} is interpreted very similarly, only it refers to concrete objects.)

Though if You wouldn't like to go crazy trying to pick the right article,
there's an emergency exit: {xo'e}, AFAIK turns a brivla into a sumti
without asking a word or being any more specific than "four women".

a'o mi na bebna cusku mi'e darves

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<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="PADDING-LEFT: 1ex; MARGIN: 0px 0px 0px 0.8ex; BORDER-LEFT: #ccc 1px solid">Wouldn't {lu'o vo lo ninmu cu cinba la rikis.martin.} translate to &quot;four<br>women, as a group, kiss Ricky Martin.&quot;?
</blockquote>
<div>&nbsp;</div>
<div>Yes, it would mean a group of&nbsp;any four women.</div>
<div>&nbsp;</div>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="PADDING-LEFT: 1ex; MARGIN: 0px 0px 0px 0.8ex; BORDER-LEFT: #ccc 1px solid">I was taught, in previous sections, that {vo lo ninmu} was a way to say</blockquote>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="PADDING-LEFT: 1ex; MARGIN: 0px 0px 0px 0.8ex; BORDER-LEFT: #ccc 1px solid">&quot;three women&quot; instead of &quot;the three women&quot; which was introduced</blockquote>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="PADDING-LEFT: 1ex; MARGIN: 0px 0px 0px 0.8ex; BORDER-LEFT: #ccc 1px solid">earlier as {le vo ninmu}.</blockquote>
<div>&nbsp;</div>
<div>*Four* women :), but yes, LfB deals articles this way. It doesn't let You</div>
<div>say {lo vo ninmu}, for that would mean &quot;all the four women&nbsp;in the world&quot;.</div>
<div>Although if You'd like to stick to xorlo (which is recommended) here's a</div>
<div>list of the variations:</div>
<div>{lo vo ninmu} - Any four women (maybe as a mass, maybe not).</div>
<div>{lu'o lo vo ninmu}, also {loi vo ninmu} - Any four women as a mass.</div>
<div>{vo lo ninmu}&nbsp;or just {vo ninmu}&nbsp;- Any four women individually.</div>
<div>{lu'o vo lo&nbsp;ninmu} or just&nbsp;{lu'o vo ninmu} - Any four women as a mass.</div>
<div>&nbsp;</div>
<div>{ci lo vo ninmu} -&nbsp;3 times four women, that is, twelve women (maybe</div>
<div>in 3 separate masses, maybe individually).</div>
<div>{ci lu'o lo vo ninmu}, also {ci loi vo ninmu} -&nbsp;3 independent&nbsp;masses</div>
<div>of four women.</div>
<div>Et cetera.</div>
<div>&nbsp;</div>
<div>({le} is interpreted very similarly, only it refers to concrete objects.)</div>
<div>&nbsp;</div>
<div>Though if You wouldn't like to go crazy&nbsp;trying to&nbsp;pick the right article,</div>
<div>there's an emergency exit: {xo'e}, AFAIK turns a brivla into a sumti</div>
<div>without asking a word or being any more specific than &quot;four women&quot;.</div>
<div>&nbsp;</div>
<div>a'o mi na bebna cusku mi'e darves</div>

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