Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-beginners); Thu, 12 Oct 2006 19:18:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1GYCdS-0007QE-Df for lojban-beginners-real@lojban.org; Thu, 12 Oct 2006 19:18:54 -0700 Received: from nf-out-0910.google.com ([64.233.182.187]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1GYCdP-0007Q4-TG for lojban-beginners@lojban.org; Thu, 12 Oct 2006 19:18:54 -0700 Received: by nf-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id x30so780301nfb for ; Thu, 12 Oct 2006 19:18:48 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:from:to:subject:references:date:in-reply-to:message-id:user-agent:mime-version:content-type; b=soXhX3hN8DUfrcOK6vlTn1Vs69+YCGF+ZEOBL54++lq1kORGWxHXAow0QGG7U1DePSuPmNre1eqqE5ZgtzUB7LOssrV5CrwmL7riY+2nBnKuNGHOrhif/sFPs0kMO9/+5ayHBwfNo+NvwrvHGJigvR+QEGbXG/tG9DN9QFny6oY= Received: by 10.78.170.17 with SMTP id s17mr3047959hue; Thu, 12 Oct 2006 19:18:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost ( [71.112.110.242]) by mx.google.com with ESMTP id 4sm2856547hud.2006.10.12.19.18.46; Thu, 12 Oct 2006 19:18:47 -0700 (PDT) From: Timothy Hobbs To: lojban-beginners@lojban.org Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: quickest way to apologize in Lojban References: <925d17560610121300jdfec8b1g4c56234b3cfae2a4@mail.gmail.com> <20061012202655.GQ30164@chain.digitalkingdom.org> Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2006 19:18:56 -0700 In-Reply-To: <20061012202655.GQ30164@chain.digitalkingdom.org> (Robin Lee Powell's message of "Thu\, 12 Oct 2006 13\:26\:55 -0700") Message-ID: <87d58xlzzj.fsf@gmail.com> User-Agent: Gnus/5.110006 (No Gnus v0.6) Emacs/22.0.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-archive-position: 3627 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: tim.thelion@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-beginners@lojban.org X-list: lojban-beginners Content-Length: 1384 Robin Lee Powell writes: hu? isn't that no-thanks? > On Thu, Oct 12, 2006 at 04:22:40PM -0400, Matt Arnold wrote: >> On 10/12/06, Jorge Llamb?as wrote: >> >On 10/12/06, Matt Arnold wrote: >> >> Does {i'anaise'i} mean "sorry", "mea culpa", or "that's my bad" in >> >Lojban? >> >> {i'a} acceptance >> >> {i'anai} blame >> >> {se'i} self-oriented attitudinal modifier >> > >> >I would use {.u'u}, but yours would seeem to work too, with >> >different nuances. >> > >> >It is a bit strange that there isn't an apology cmavo in COI. > > Yes, it is. > >> I don't want to tell someone who I've wronged that I pity them. > > That's {.uu}, not {.u'u}. {.u'u} == {xenru}, i.e. "my bad". > > .u'u UI1 repentance > attitudinal: repentance - lack of regret - innocence > > (cf. xenru, zugycni) > >> I agree about COI by the way. (For those just joining us, that >> family of cmavo includes "hello", "goodbye", "please" and "thank >> you".) I expected a "sorry" cmavo to be in that group, and was >> surprised when there wasn't. > > pe'u nai? :-) > > -Robin > > -- > http://www.digitalkingdom.org/~rlpowell/ *** http://www.lojban.org/ > Reason #237 To Learn Lojban: "Homonyms: Their Grate!" > Proud Supporter of the Singularity Institute - http://singinst.org/