Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-beginners); Wed, 04 Oct 2006 07:49:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1GV83Z-0008Ra-KP for lojban-beginners-real@lojban.org; Wed, 04 Oct 2006 07:49:09 -0700 Received: from nf-out-0910.google.com ([64.233.182.191]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1GV83V-0008RO-9a for lojban-beginners@lojban.org; Wed, 04 Oct 2006 07:49:09 -0700 Received: by nf-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id x30so503025nfb for ; Wed, 04 Oct 2006 07:49:03 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=eBeRL/bqVCP8JWeWHslDpY2rfht/6xHFMHQZBLcXwtp5/aQCTXnfOudI/qAk89dpfVgAVlx4aXNTV+BZXO/zC6+hecO52vEHxBkC4MbL+cQl/j/TLL7VwE0bT0zF9XQxMupwDYUupGXPClP15HyesKiOA57tmVNN6LVEKZDhc3s= Received: by 10.49.55.13 with SMTP id h13mr2409089nfk; Wed, 04 Oct 2006 07:49:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.49.57.8 with HTTP; Wed, 4 Oct 2006 07:49:02 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <737b61f30610040749u11793452k598fc3b110599fbd@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 4 Oct 2006 09:49:02 -0500 From: "Chris Capel" To: lojban-beginners@lojban.org Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: Lightbulb In-Reply-To: <241e6b720610031415y33825031yd2ead1d89dc98c8d@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <241e6b720610031415y33825031yd2ead1d89dc98c8d@mail.gmail.com> X-Spam-Score: -2.4 (--) X-archive-position: 3607 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: pdf23ds@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-beginners@lojban.org X-list: lojban-beginners Content-Length: 1062 On 10/3/06, Daniel Adamec wrote: > What {sumti tcita} would be used for 'because' in a response to the query > "why is the light bulb bright?". (apologies for the simplicity of the > sentence). [...] > I am probably making the problem more complicated than it really is, so once > again I apologize for the simple explanation I will no doubt receive from > several (rightfully) exasperated {jboprenu} I believe Aristotle categorized causality pretty thoroughly: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aristotle#Causality It's nice that Lojban differentiates between different modes of causality. You're really not making the question more complicated than it is, because it *is* pretty complicated. I wonder which Lojban words correspond to which aristotelian causes. Maybe Lojban's distinctions are somewhat orthogonal? That would be disappointing. Chris Capel -- "What is it like to be a bat? What is it like to bat a bee? What is it like to be a bee being batted? What is it like to be a batted bee?" -- The Mind's I (Hofstadter, Dennet)