Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-beginners); Fri, 10 Nov 2006 19:21:53 -0800 (PST) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1GijRJ-0000Y8-0n for lojban-beginners-real@lojban.org; Fri, 10 Nov 2006 19:21:53 -0800 Received: from nf-out-0910.google.com ([64.233.182.191]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1GijRF-0000XG-DF for lojban-beginners@lojban.org; Fri, 10 Nov 2006 19:21:52 -0800 Received: by nf-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id c31so104465nfb for ; Fri, 10 Nov 2006 19:21:47 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=Gwq0NKxCnfL/lb/CkvfOLjrbmwUq0T8fsHjjGuAJe9GVSbY1sXMk7U0LbARXlsyO2Ogqgkb9O552SSy7b3sZvkr6zRt80RjOQ1iNxarIuBJ52ItV6zngHXbAF7/yT2cuczAKdzPU+CVQlAhmJwdXxifUSm7bHkGH8addUyd832w= Received: by 10.78.142.14 with SMTP id p14mr3404983hud.1163215307404; Fri, 10 Nov 2006 19:21:47 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.78.131.5 with HTTP; Fri, 10 Nov 2006 19:21:47 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Fri, 10 Nov 2006 19:21:47 -0800 From: "Theodore Reed" To: lojban-beginners@lojban.org Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: klama, go, come, travel In-Reply-To: <811651.91137.qm@web30414.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_6174_32267127.1163215307377" References: <811651.91137.qm@web30414.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Spam-Score: -2.2 (--) X-archive-position: 3675 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: ted.reed@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-beginners@lojban.org X-list: lojban-beginners Content-Length: 2281 ------=_Part_6174_32267127.1163215307377 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline On 11/10/06, Jon MacLeod wrote: > > I was doing some thinking on my way home last night, and this occurred to > me: > > The English words, go, come, and travel (as verb) mean exactly the same > thing, > except for the difference of an impled spatial tense in the words go and > come. > > Making the implicit tense explicit in Lojban: > > go: zo'e vi klama zo'e > come: zo'e klama zo'e vi > travel: zo'e klama zo'e > Just thought I'd point out that your use of tenses makes those not quite mean what you intend. vi can't fill sumti places. The first two of those both mean roughly "Near here, someone goes." You'd be better off using ti, which can be a sumti: zo'e klama zo'e ti zo'e klama ti zo'e -- Theodore Reed (treed/bancus) www.surreality.us ------=_Part_6174_32267127.1163215307377 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline On 11/10/06, Jon MacLeod <eye_onus@yahoo.com> wrote:
I was doing some thinking on my way home last night, and this occurred to me:

The English words, go, come, and travel (as verb) mean exactly the same thing,
except for the difference of an impled spatial tense in the words go and come.

Making the implicit tense explicit in Lojban:

go:     zo'e vi klama zo'e
come:   zo'e klama zo'e vi
travel: zo'e klama zo'e

Just thought I'd point out that your use of tenses makes those not quite mean what you intend. vi can't fill sumti places. The first two of those both mean roughly "Near here, someone goes."

You'd be better off using ti, which can be a sumti:

zo'e klama zo'e ti
zo'e klama ti zo'e

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Theodore Reed (treed/bancus)
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