Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-beginners); Tue, 28 Nov 2006 21:26:06 -0800 (PST) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1GpHxL-0003Ho-E6 for lojban-beginners-real@lojban.org; Tue, 28 Nov 2006 21:26:03 -0800 Received: from web81411.mail.mud.yahoo.com ([68.142.199.139]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1GpHxH-0003He-JY for lojban-beginners@lojban.org; Tue, 28 Nov 2006 21:26:03 -0800 Received: (qmail 69043 invoked by uid 60001); 29 Nov 2006 05:25:58 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: nr6KM_EVM1n8XC8bDArQkOueF9awmGc3Ab3PRlYUZILG1hyJlke12wRq5y.aCad02zn3bIlYXiqaW6Zxp0WutIbVFL.ooBh4Iqst2wShyQ1w7n6ktp18DXfDDjpnnbaY.hz9cKjweZ94nx8- Received: from [71.141.128.118] by web81411.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 28 Nov 2006 21:25:58 PST X-RocketYMMF: g_e_n_e@pacbell.net Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2006 21:25:58 -0800 (PST) From: Gene Mosley Subject: [lojban-beginners] Questions re: proper translation/syntax To: lojban-beginners@lojban.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <295931.67951.qm@web81411.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Spam-Score: -1.8 (-) X-archive-position: 3718 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: lojban@mosleyfamily.org Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-beginners@lojban.org X-list: lojban-beginners Content-Length: 611 Hello again. Please help me out with the following. ===== [do ca tavla] you present-time talk - or - now you're talking or is there a better way to express this sentiment? ===== This one is more complicated. In a mini-lesson on lojban.org it says that: [da tavla ta] = someone talks to that person [do tavla zo'e mi] = you are talking about me [zo'e tavla mi do] = someone talks to me about you So, does [da tavla mi] = [zo'e tavla mi]?? Are they both = someone talks to me?? Both [da] amd [zo'e] were used for "someone". I thought [zo'e] was like a place holder for sumti that were not important.