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Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2006 16:27:17 -0500
From: "Matt Arnold" <matt.mattarn@gmail.com>
To: lojban-beginners@lojban.org
Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: A learning idea..... and my own attempt to do it.
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Why not do the first steps using jboselkei? Did you know that
jboselkei upgraded yesterday? It looks great and has some improvements
to the user interface.

http://www.teddyb.org/jsk/

What if the next upgrade to Jboselkei allowed the user to upload an
mp3 file of the Lojban translation?

-Eppcott

On 11/30/06, Betsemes <betsemes@gmail.com> wrote:
> Around two weeks ago, I got my eighth sponsored child; a filipino
> little girl who lives on Manila city. I practically never before had
> sponsored a child who doesn't speak my native language, Spanish, so
> when I was reading her personal facts, it attracted my attention that
> she only speaks Filipino. After some inquiries, I knew that filipinos
> learn to talk in English very well, so it will not be necessary to
> worry about it at all. Yet, I thought it would be really nice to be
> able to write to her in her own native language, so I bought an audio
> course on Tagalog. What immediately I notice is the easiness of
> learning something if it is already recorded, specially if the player
> is a highly portable one which I can bring with me everywhere and
> listen to it even when I'm walking at the mall or driving my car. I
> extracted all of the CD tracks and stored it in a small MP3 player
> which I can take everywhere and listen to it almost anytime. I thought
> just how much easier and faster would learning Lojban be whether we
> would have an audio course. Of course, I know about the project that
> Yanis have proposed to make, but it is in it's bare beginnings if any.
> So I was thinking on this and I got an idea that might work better
> than whatever I have being doing to learn Lojban up until now (task
> that I have been doing inconsistently), and I considered it worth
> sharing.
>
> 1) Write an English sentence. It could be almost anything; everyday
> conversation lines, book sentences, or any sentence that you could
> come up with both original or copied.
>
> 2) Do any possible effort to translate it.
>
> 3) Post your translation either on the Lojban list or the Lojban
> beginners list and ask for comments and corrections.
>
> 4) Actively correct your translation as you get comments from the list
> members. Post your new corrected translation. You might need to
> correct and post repeatedly until the translation is totally correct.
> You might want to know the way to pronounce it, so you might want use
> your MP3 Player/recorder or your PC to record some words, post the
> audio file and ask whether or not the pronunciation is correct.
>
> 5) Once you are satisfied with the translation and know precisely how
> to pronounce it, then read it repeatedly, both silently and aloud
> until you feel confortable reading it.
>
> 6) Record it using your MP3 player/recorder or your computer. If
> recorded with a computer then store it in your digital audio player.
>
> 7) Play and replay it many times, over and over and over again. Reread
> the emails and/or word definitions related to your sentence until you
> know the full meaning of your sentence by heart.
>
> 8) Write a new English sentence and repeat the while process. I think
> it would be more effective if your new sentence is related to your
> previous one.
>
> Well, that's about the whole of my idea. What do you think?
>
> It might be flawed in many ways, but it seems to me that I would learn
> Lojban much faster by using this procedure than by using any other
> method including flash cards. At least I'm willing to try it out.
>
> So then where should I begin? I think anything is good rather than
> nothing, so I'll begin translating this very email. So my first
> sentence was:
>
> "Around two weeks ago, I got my eighth sponsored child; a filipino
> little girl who lives on Manila city."
>
> lojban translation:
> zi lo jeftu be li re mi [pu] co'a pidversra lo mi bimoi be lo'i verba
> be'o ne lo se natmrfilipino ke cmalu. nixli poi xabju lo tcadu pe me'e
> la'o py. Manila .py.
>
> pidversra: x1=s1 helps/donates to/supports poor child x2=s2=v1=p1 by
> means x3=s4, child is of age x4=v2 and lacking in
> possessions/properties x5=p2
>
> co'a    ZAhO    initiative
>
> moi x1 is the (n)th member of set x2 when ordered by rule x3
>
> xabju x1 dwells/lives/resides/abides at/inhabits/is a resident of
> location/habitat/nest/home/abode x2
>
> x1 is a town/city of metropolitan area x2, in political unit x3,
> serving hinterland/region x4
>
> jeftu x1 is x2 weeks in duration (default is 1 week) by standard x3
>
> natmi x1 is a nation/ethnic group of peoples x2; [people sharing a
> history/culture]
>
> So there is no type 4 fu'ivla for "Filipino". I think there should be
> one. I also wrote each pause explicitly, please, tell me whether they
> are OK and whether there should be another one. I think the "pu" is
> not necesary from the Lojban standpoint, but I inserted it on brackets
> to state where I think it should be.
>
> Please, advise.
>
>
>
>