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Date: Fri, 1 Dec 2006 09:20:23 -0500
From: "Matt Arnold" <matt.mattarn@gmail.com>
To: lojban-beginners@lojban.org
Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: A learning idea..... and my own attempt to do it.
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On 12/1/06, Betsemes <betsemes@gmail.com> wrote:
> On 11/30/06, Matt Arnold <matt.mattarn@gmail.com> wrote:
> Sorry, Matt, but jboselkei is unreliable as a learning tool as I see
> it, and I'll tell you why. It's a game rather than a learning tool as
> it is currently designed, and as such it forces both novices and
> experienced lojbanists to review translations. This means that both
> right and wrong reviews will get mixed up without any means to comment
> and/or challenge the reviews. Anyone should have the opportunity to
> post comments on any review and the translator should have the option
> to challenge the review while explaining why is he/she doing the
> challenging. Since jboselkei in it's current form does not provide for
> this, then it mixes up right and wrong reviews indiscriminately,
> making it an unreliable source of learning material.
>
> > What if the next upgrade to Jboselkei allowed the user to upload an
> > mp3 file of the Lojban translation?
>
> That would be an excellent idea, but an audio file should also be
> reviewed/commented on so the problem given above does not get repeated
> on the audio files. Badly pronounced audio files could be mixed up
> with good ones.
>
> I began some time ago to use jboselkei thinking that it could be a
> good learning tool. I was disappointed with it, so I stopped using it.
> Right then, it was said at the list that such way of posting comments
> on reviews should be a feature to be added on a future upgrade. Since
> I regarded such an implementation to be top priority over anything
> else, I went eagerly to see what changes were made. Boy, I was so
> disappointed. The looks and feel of the game seemed to be top priority
> rather than improving it's usefulness as a learning tool. As of now,
> the list is the most realiable way to do what I suggested on my first
> post on this subject.

The only reason that the upgrade mostly consisted of appearance and
usability is that those are the things I know how to do. I don't know
how to code PHP. I would like very much to see the changes you
mention, but that would be up to Timo Paulssen or anyone else who can
code PHP. Thanks very much for the feeback.

-Eppcott