Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-beginners); Mon, 04 Dec 2006 16:50:19 -0800 (PST) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1GrOVm-0000Hk-V4 for lojban-beginners-real@lojban.org; Mon, 04 Dec 2006 16:50:19 -0800 Received: from phma.optus.nu ([166.82.175.165] helo=ixazon.dynip.com) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1GrOVe-0000HK-TP for lojban-beginners@lojban.org; Mon, 04 Dec 2006 16:50:18 -0800 Received: from [192.168.7.3] (unknown [192.168.7.3]) by ixazon.dynip.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 01A6DCE708 for ; Mon, 4 Dec 2006 19:49:59 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <4574C210.4080106@phma.optus.nu> Date: Mon, 04 Dec 2006 19:49:20 -0500 From: Pierre Abbat User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.5 (Windows/20050711) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: lojban-beginners@lojban.org Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: Pronouncing "a" References: <674603.28653.qm@web56404.mail.re3.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <674603.28653.qm@web56404.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Score: -2.2 (--) X-archive-position: 3795 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: phma@phma.optus.nu Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-beginners@lojban.org X-list: lojban-beginners Content-Length: 881 Nathaniel Krause wrote: > Danny, > > Examples like this are stymied by regional variations in the English > accent. The "a" sounds in father and in hat are quite distinct in > American English, and I would have thought they were in English English, > too; but, as for Glaswegian, that is a bit beyond my ken. On the other > hand, the "a" in father and the "o" in top are indeed exactly the same > in American English, but this a specifically American feature, so the > example of "top" is not relevant to other English speakers. Sorry about > that. Although many Lojbanists are Americans, "Lojban for Beginners" in > particular should be free of Americocentrism, since its two authors are > Australian and English. I'm not sure about "hat", or Glaswegian, but I know an Englishman, and he pronounces as "a" in "father" a lot of a's I pronounce as "a" in "ash". phma