Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-beginners); Fri, 08 Dec 2006 08:03:06 -0800 (PST) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1GsiBZ-0008Id-Sq for lojban-beginners-real@lojban.org; Fri, 08 Dec 2006 08:02:55 -0800 Received: from sparkle.rodents.montreal.qc.ca ([216.46.5.7]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1GsiB5-00082Y-3Q for lojban-beginners@lojban.org; Fri, 08 Dec 2006 08:02:52 -0800 Received: (from mouse@localhost) by Sparkle.Rodents.Montreal.QC.CA (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA17209; Fri, 8 Dec 2006 11:02:18 -0500 (EST) From: der Mouse Message-Id: <200612081602.LAA17209@Sparkle.Rodents.Montreal.QC.CA> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Erik-Conspiracy: There is no Conspiracy - and if there were I wouldn't be part of it anyway. X-Message-Flag: Microsoft: the company who gave us the botnet zombies. Date: Fri, 8 Dec 2006 10:52:17 -0500 (EST) To: lojban-beginners@lojban.org Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: lojban-beginners Digest V5 #208 In-Reply-To: References: X-Spam-Score: -2.6 (--) X-archive-position: 3828 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: mouse@Rodents.Montreal.QC.CA Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-beginners@lojban.org X-list: lojban-beginners Content-Length: 805 > {su'o danlu na xarju} is equivalent to {naku su'o danlu cu xarju}. > "Some animals are not pigs" is {su'o danlu naku xarju}. {su'o danlu > na'e xarju} means "some animals are other than pigs", which is almost > the same, but not logically equivalent. Actually, I think those English translations *are* logically equivalent. But the first one is an inaccurate translation; I would gloss {su'o danlu naku xarju} as "it is not the case that some animals are pigs", which is equivalent to "no animals are pigs", not "some animals are not pigs". Or does {naku} mean something other than a {na} which happens to be placed next to a {ku}? /~\ The ASCII der Mouse \ / Ribbon Campaign X Against HTML mouse@rodents.montreal.qc.ca / \ Email! 7D C8 61 52 5D E7 2D 39 4E F1 31 3E E8 B3 27 4B