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Date: Sun, 03 Dec 2006 01:42:26 -0500
From: Ronald Guida <ronguida@mindspring.com>
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Pierre Abbat wrote:
> I pronounce it as either ach-Laut or ich-Laut, depending on nearby 
> vowels, except in the combination "xr", which I pronounce as a single 
> sound, a voiceless uvular and alveolar trill (i.e. ach-Laut and rolled r 
> at the same time). If you heard my turkey tonguetwister at jbonunsla, 
> you know what that sounds like. But if the "r" of "xr" is vocalic, it's 
> the voiced double trill. So:
> marxa - ach-Laut
> darxi - ich-Laut
> maxri - double trill
> rirxrxrazdani - just keep trying ;)
> (This last word means "is the river Hrazdan". You probably don't need it 
> unless you're going to Armenia ;))
> 
> As to Hebrew, I pronounce (when I'm careful) chet as ach-Laut and khaf 
> as ich-Laut.
> 
> phma
> 

I recorded myself pronouncing these four words "marxa", "darxi", 
"maxri", "rirxrxrazdani".  Where I can put my recordings (total size 
65K) so that others can tell me if my pronunciation is correct?

Also, I did not get tongue-twisted on "rirxrxrazdani", but I should note 
that several years ago I trained myself to avoid getting tongue-twisted; 
my training consisted of reading Dr. Seuss' _Fox in Socks_ out loud 
until I learned how to speak the twisted rhymes quickly and accurately.

-- Ron