Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-beginners); Fri, 16 Mar 2007 07:51:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1HSDmD-0006TH-Og for lojban-beginners-real@lojban.org; Fri, 16 Mar 2007 07:51:30 -0700 Received: from an-out-0708.google.com ([209.85.132.248]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1HSDm5-0006Sr-Ct for lojban-beginners@lojban.org; Fri, 16 Mar 2007 07:51:28 -0700 Received: by an-out-0708.google.com with SMTP id b8so540295ana for ; Fri, 16 Mar 2007 07:51:16 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=NuAN0MfpHbWcnIGkCe91LHg7Ae5kmDykQ255y5f/rSWyuIsJBFrEj2HhKM+GTshWmT+yPbC5GKN7yHfe7l20lUa+Yjsgf+HhoRk2ZwXdbKGsvqvmRznzchGusW+9BJpB0FcGyql/zo4qBO5CKLnzob85TuUzMy7Z8ye2K/0cAPA= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=RUsLTbmyaNs+PPHukS/L5L5taJKPxOp01AoDS7iu10cQnFWL+VC2VdTv2WYSXypEYHht/sZoAKguiIqFUhXeOg7D0S29Fsaxj+Y2VMY6YwCC9BoqnK0DsdlEYgvbU+lOvr+dxvLhkIYqq5M1k1uLwmMAlHbc5LNnkwrdrwaKtMQ= Received: by 10.100.58.4 with SMTP id g4mr1549393ana.1174056676676; Fri, 16 Mar 2007 07:51:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.100.42.16 with HTTP; Fri, 16 Mar 2007 07:51:16 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <925d17560703160751p5540129ci47813a7551fdd262@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2007 11:51:16 -0300 From: "=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jorge_Llamb=EDas?=" To: lojban-beginners@lojban.org Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: two epiphanies In-Reply-To: <1189A858F8918F43BE3F9C7603C73FB4031E7C23@0456-its-exmp01.us.saic.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by Ecartis Content-Disposition: inline References: <1189A858F8918F43BE3F9C7603C73FB4031E7C23@0456-its-exmp01.us.saic.com> X-Spam-Score: -2.6 X-Spam-Score-Int: -25 X-Spam-Bar: -- X-archive-position: 4155 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: jjllambias@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-beginners@lojban.org X-list: lojban-beginners Content-Length: 858 On 3/16/07, Turniansky, Michael wrote: > 2) Tenses can also act as modals (subject to the caveat in Chap. 10, > sect. 23), which is why things like "co'u le nu mi citka kei mi vamtu" (At > the end of my eating, I threw up) work. The "caveat" is not stated very well in CLL for my taste. CLL says that {mukti} "underlies" {mu'i}, which is very well, because {mu'i} = {fi'o mukti} But then it says that {balvi} "underlies" {ba}, which does not make that much sense, because {ba} = {fi'o se balvi}, not {fi'o balvi}, so what does "underlie" mean here? (BTW, "modal" is a horrid misnomer for BAIs from the point of view of linguistic terminology.) > So, have I got this right?? (and I think I just had epiphany number > three – this is what the heck is meant by sumti tcita, isn't it??) Yep. mu'o mi'e xorxes