Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-beginners); Fri, 16 Mar 2007 20:47:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1HSPt3-0004c8-DX for lojban-beginners-real@lojban.org; Fri, 16 Mar 2007 20:47:22 -0700 Received: from web56402.mail.re3.yahoo.com ([216.252.111.81]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1HSPsx-0004ba-Mu for lojban-beginners@lojban.org; Fri, 16 Mar 2007 20:47:21 -0700 Received: (qmail 25415 invoked by uid 60001); 17 Mar 2007 03:47:08 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=SROmy7KUCqvyvh1ox0XH1NyPyJKXMjxtdB7GpZr2Gti++5Jqocw5tiSpIjkB7MwwwgB9Zw0wiukgNQrTfRv6l4dHzgeTY9eQBBRbdfbtDMnarICjG4657vG/+fVe30zaASe0P/vwBsgacw3vd3rs7i7Q57qTM0q+jZeUt1p7R/s=; X-YMail-OSG: 5ms8U5IVM1nfHsKAh2XS48Qr_4cVyDLMTaMDJi3rmom.iGyDcZ1GhPCvKNo2tY7l9w-- Received: from [75.2.90.54] by web56402.mail.re3.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 16 Mar 2007 20:47:08 PDT Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2007 20:47:08 -0700 (PDT) From: Nathaniel Krause Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: compasss directions To: lojban-beginners@lojban.org In-Reply-To: <200703161755.21690.phma@phma.optus.nu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-599076556-1174103228=:25356" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <278295.25356.qm@web56402.mail.re3.yahoo.com> X-Spam-Score: 0.6 X-Spam-Score-Int: 6 X-Spam-Bar: / X-archive-position: 4159 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: nathanielkrause@yahoo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-beginners@lojban.org X-list: lojban-beginners Content-Length: 4058 --0-599076556-1174103228=:25356 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Has there ever been any discussion of changing the gismu for the cardinal directions to make them less confusing? Just for larffs, I did some checking and found that {disko} for "east" (with rafsi "-dis-") and {vupra} for "west" (with rafsi "-vup-" and "-vu'a-") would work. These are assembled from the corresponding sounds from source languages found in http://www.lojban.org/jbo/publications/etymology/finprims.html -- except for the "v", which actually comes from "vu'a", where I assume it was intended as an alternate approximation of the w in "west". mi'e .sen. Pierre Abbat wrote: On Friday 16 March 2007 14:43, Turniansky, Michael wrote: > I'm sure this has been discussed before, but is there any reason why > the spatial tenses for north, east, south, and west bear no > resemblance to the gismu for the same? (With the possible exception of > be'a/berti). The gismu for directions were made, like most gismu, by mashing together words from six languages with a computer program. Three of them came up with the same first letter. (The 's' of {snanu} is from the initial of English "south", the initial 'st' of {stuna} and {stici} is from the end of the English words, and the initial 'b' of {berti} is from Chinese "bei".) Furthermore, two of the short rafsi begin with 's'. To avoid confusion in abbreviations for directions, the cmavo were chosen to begin with four different letters. See http://jbovlaste.lojban.org/wiki/boxing%20the%20compass . phma --------------------------------- Food fight? Enjoy some healthy debate in the Yahoo! Answers Food & Drink Q&A. --0-599076556-1174103228=:25356 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Has there ever been any discussion of changing the gismu for the cardinal directions to make them less confusing? Just for larffs, I did some checking and found that {disko} for "east" (with rafsi "-dis-") and {vupra} for "west" (with rafsi "-vup-" and "-vu'a-") would work. These are assembled from the corresponding sounds from source languages found in http://www.lojban.org/jbo/publications/etymology/finprims.html -- except for the "v", which actually comes from "vu'a", where I assume it was intended as an alternate approximation of the w in "west".

mi'e .sen.

Pierre Abbat <phma@phma.optus.nu> wrote:
On Friday 16 March 2007 14:43, Turniansky, Michael wrote:
> I'm sure this has been discussed before, but is there any reason why
> the spatial tenses for north, east, south, and west bear no
> resemblance to the gismu for the same? (With the possible exception of
> be'a/berti).

The gismu for directions were made, like most gismu, by mashing together words
from six languages with a computer program. Three of them came up with the
same first letter. (The 's' of {snanu} is from the initial of
English "south", the initial 'st' of {stuna} and {stici} is from the end of
the English words, and the initial 'b' of {berti} is from Chinese "bei".)
Furthermore, two of the short rafsi begin with 's'. To avoid confusion in
abbreviations for directions, the cmavo were chosen to begin with four
different letters. See
http://jbovlaste.lojban.org/wiki/boxing%20the%20compass .

phma





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