Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-beginners); Wed, 02 May 2007 05:28:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1HjDwT-0007Uz-Mo for lojban-beginners-real@lojban.org; Wed, 02 May 2007 05:28:28 -0700 Received: from mclmx2.mail.saic.com ([149.8.64.32] ident=[U2FsdGVkX18BYfXheh65NBriAcqFhuqkrIUNoplK7FE=]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1HjDvv-0007UU-Us for lojban-beginners@lojban.org; Wed, 02 May 2007 05:28:17 -0700 Received: from 0015-its-ieg01.mail.saic.com ([149.8.64.21] [149.8.64.21]) by mclmx2.mail.saic.com id BT-MMP-1199365 for lojban-beginners@lojban.org; Wed, 2 May 2007 08:27:29 -0400 Received: from 0015-ITS-EXBH01.us.saic.com ([10.43.229.18]) by 0015-its-ieg01.mail.saic.com (SMSSMTP 4.0.5.66) with SMTP id M2007050208272413365 for ; Wed, 02 May 2007 08:27:24 -0400 Received: from 0456-its-exmp01.us.saic.com ([10.75.0.188]) by 0015-ITS-EXBH01.us.saic.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Wed, 2 May 2007 08:27:24 -0400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C78CB5.3D8363E7" Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: lojban-beginners Digest V6 #66 Date: Wed, 2 May 2007 08:27:25 -0400 Message-Id: <1189A858F8918F43BE3F9C7603C73FB4031E7CE3@0456-its-exmp01.us.saic.com> In-Reply-To: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [lojban-beginners] Re: lojban-beginners Digest V6 #66 Thread-Index: AceMrJm+aNQv9BBUTaGwkeP3ue9rDgABrxkA From: "Turniansky, Michael [UNK]" To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 02 May 2007 12:27:24.0901 (UTC) FILETIME=[3D509950:01C78CB5] X-Spam-Score: -2.5 X-Spam-Score-Int: -24 X-Spam-Bar: -- X-archive-position: 4442 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: MICHAEL.A.TURNIANSKY@saic.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-beginners@lojban.org X-list: lojban-beginners Content-Length: 6444 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C78CB5.3D8363E7 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Spencer asks: =20 * What is {loi}? Can't you use {le}? {le sutra cu vecnu le cukta}? You _can_ use le, but what that sentence means is "the quick-one sells the book(s)", which is to say, some particular book or books that I have in mind. "loi" means "the mass of those that really are..." in other words, it used to describe in more general terms that he sells books, not any particular set of them: le gerku cu citka le rectu (the dog eats the meat), loi gerku cu citka loi rectu (dogs eat meat). =20 =20 As for "le nu mi pensi [vau] [kei] [ku] cu nibli le nu mi zasti [vau] [kei] [ku] [vau]" Yes, that certainly is fine (although with all the elidbale terminators kept in, a pain to read ;-) . .iseni'ibo (or, to break it apart, .i se ni'i bo) basically means "this following sentence is entailed by the previous one" (When you get to the chapter on modals, you will see how this works. ni'i is a cmavo derived from nibli)=20 =20 --gejyspa ------_=_NextPart_001_01C78CB5.3D8363E7 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

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Ø      What is {loi}?  Can't = you use {le}?  {le sutra cu vecnu le cukta}?

You = _can_ use le, but what that = sentence means is "the quick-one sells the book(s)", which is to say, some particular book or books that I have in mind.  "loi" = means "the mass of those that really are…" in other words, it = used to describe in more general terms that he sells books, not any particular = set of them: le gerku cu citka le rectu (the dog eats the meat), loi gerku cu citka = loi rectu (dogs eat meat).

 

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As = for "le nu mi pensi [vau] [kei] [ku] cu nibli le nu mi zasti [vau] [kei]  = [ku] [vau]" Yes, that certainly is fine (although with all the elidbale terminators = kept in, a pain to read ;-)  . .iseni'ibo (or, to break it apart, .i se = ni'i bo) basically means "this following sentence is entailed by the = previous one" (When you get to the chapter on modals, you will see how this = works.  ni'i is a cmavo derived from nibli)

 

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      = ;            =             &= nbsp;             --gejyspa



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