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From: "Vid Sintef" <picos.picos@gmail.com>
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Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: distinction between gismu & cmavo
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So, {mi} is a cmavo, and an article isn't required for a cmavo to be used a=
s
a sumti because, I suppose, cmavos don't have any place structure?
But why are those cmavos like {mi} listed on the gismu list, then?



On 5/20/07, Elmo Todurov <todurov@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> =DChel kenal p=E4eval (p=FChap=E4ev 20 mai 2007 8:27 pm) kirjutas Vid Sin=
tef:
> > My understanding is that every gismu consists of 5 letters. But on the
> > gismu list I find those various words of less than 5 letters. {mi} is a=
n
> > example. Precisely, is {mi} a gismu, or is it a cmavo? If cmavo, why ca=
n
> it
> > be a sumti for a selbri without some descriptor like {le} as is the cas=
e
> > for a gismu when used as an argument?
>
> If you want to use a gismu as a sumti, you need an article (le, la, lo,
> and
> some others). If you want to use a cmavo (like mi, do, ko'a and lots of
> others), you don't need articles.
>
> When you see stuff like "le mi palku", it doesn't mean that I'm pants, it
> means "my pants", something different altogether.
>
>

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So, {mi} is a cmavo, and an article isn&#39;t required for a cmavo to be us=
ed as a sumti because, I suppose, cmavos don&#39;t have any place structure=
?<br>But why are those cmavos like {mi} listed on the gismu list, then?<br>
<br><br><br><div><span class=3D"gmail_quote">On 5/20/07, <b class=3D"gmail_=
sendername">Elmo Todurov</b> &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:todurov@gmail.com">todur=
ov@gmail.com</a>&gt; wrote:</span><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=
=3D"border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; p=
adding-left: 1ex;">
=DChel kenal p=E4eval (p=FChap=E4ev 20 mai 2007 8:27 pm) kirjutas Vid Sinte=
f:<br>&gt; My understanding is that every gismu consists of 5 letters. But =
on the<br>&gt; gismu list I find those various words of less than 5 letters=
. {mi} is an
<br>&gt; example. Precisely, is {mi} a gismu, or is it a cmavo? If cmavo, w=
hy can it<br>&gt; be a sumti for a selbri without some descriptor like {le}=
 as is the case<br>&gt; for a gismu when used as an argument?<br><br>If you=
 want to use a gismu as a sumti, you need an article (le, la, lo, and
<br>some others). If you want to use a cmavo (like mi, do, ko&#39;a and lot=
s of<br>others), you don&#39;t need articles.<br><br>When you see stuff lik=
e &quot;le mi palku&quot;, it doesn&#39;t mean that I&#39;m pants, it<br>
means &quot;my pants&quot;, something different altogether.<br><br></blockq=
uote></div><br>

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