Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-beginners); Sun, 20 May 2007 11:01:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1Hppia-00046u-8j for lojban-beginners-real@lojban.org; Sun, 20 May 2007 11:01:27 -0700 Received: from ug-out-1314.google.com ([66.249.92.174]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1HppiN-00046h-41 for lojban-beginners@lojban.org; Sun, 20 May 2007 11:01:13 -0700 Received: by ug-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id 32so813387ugm for ; Sun, 20 May 2007 11:01:05 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:from:to:subject:date:user-agent:references:in-reply-to:x-face:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:message-id; b=nCA05v5FpzBuPSZDIG6ZQCmtn1W2zCyRJD5a8hPzyPGKDZoPrtr/gEBt5Ogx/mre2VwDJHdmprxs2SyALleXItD+iF5MGJud2uwn55mflZNsmTElqW4dwHC5jOyEIZqTGTtLTAXtmm4CSxXUK0i6qHbdtL5cc343l4MEp+gonxc= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:from:to:subject:date:user-agent:references:in-reply-to:x-face:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:message-id; b=oHPCjkGuRBfgAOVoocLpd4sr4R7a6rcFIPRX5nd7lGCBim8SemzDuVxv8OrwEDxpjZAerRvAQT3EKZQ0C5Eh5fZgWJ/UzHc6RqLmeezyo5a4Wcxg6j/mTT4GzrSNbPWMGSHNuvlCrgC3AGK7Oj9fT/yCN5zYbNdBit0zs/fqVC4= Received: by 10.67.71.15 with SMTP id y15mr2759755ugk.1179684064513; Sun, 20 May 2007 11:01:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ip142.cab8.ltln.starman.ee ( [82.131.8.142]) by mx.google.com with ESMTP id g30sm6165968ugd.2007.05.20.11.01.03; Sun, 20 May 2007 11:01:03 -0700 (PDT) From: Elmo Todurov To: lojban-beginners@lojban.org Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: distinction between gismu & cmavo Date: Sun, 20 May 2007 21:00:57 +0300 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.5 References: <2f91285f0705201027w32358e69v3e6093496d67cc5d@mail.gmail.com> <200705202035.30924.todurov@gmail.com> <2f91285f0705201055p656e17b8t9dbed4c1255eabdd@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <2f91285f0705201055p656e17b8t9dbed4c1255eabdd@mail.gmail.com> X-Face: (GhLNi3m1lI/db>*YLVK9.^fusNMfm#22PiXI^CLVFAw*Ja0We%kf3|5PdWW/6#d)i8?4@=?utf-8?q?=0A=09Y6=25EZ=5C?=@P7$_WQm`N"mLte)/?OSgTuRqiMPVX^3uw1gSExPsM=s,P?Kv>qX358n>=?utf-8?q?-=27AF=7CLc=0A=09rqroX?=@J<0AF1JR MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="nextPart1422421.HyVPJmRlp9"; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=pgp-sha1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <200705202101.01512.todurov@gmail.com> X-Spam-Score: 0.0 X-Spam-Score-Int: 0 X-Spam-Bar: / X-archive-position: 4539 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: todurov@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-beginners@lojban.org X-list: lojban-beginners Content-Length: 1086 --nextPart1422421.HyVPJmRlp9 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline =C3=9Chel kenal p=C3=A4eval (p=C3=BChap=C3=A4ev 20 mai 2007 8:55 pm) kirjut= as Vid Sintef: > So, {mi} is a cmavo, and an article isn't required for a cmavo to be used > as a sumti because, I suppose, cmavos don't have any place structure? But > why are those cmavos like {mi} listed on the gismu list, then? I have no idea why "mi" is in the gismu list, but you're a bit misguided ab= out=20 cmavo. First of all, some cmavo do have place structures, but I think you=20 don't need to know that yet. Secondly, when you stick a cmavo into a sumti= =20 place, it just DOESN'T HAVE an article. It's a rule. The grammar is defined= =20 so. --nextPart1422421.HyVPJmRlp9 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.7-ecc0.1.6 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQBGUIzZA5n1b8XPrFQRAsymAKCC3Fo/fHO0DdcQJR8uLJ4+Q3oW/wCfRW77 Rcu4UU/TA2ZPOodFYOhZ7rA= =BB0/ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --nextPart1422421.HyVPJmRlp9--