Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-beginners); Sun, 20 May 2007 23:03:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1Hq0yv-0000Xo-N1 for lojban-beginners-real@lojban.org; Sun, 20 May 2007 23:02:58 -0700 Received: from wx-out-0506.google.com ([66.249.82.238]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1Hq0yr-0000XK-T1 for lojban-beginners@lojban.org; Sun, 20 May 2007 23:02:57 -0700 Received: by wx-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id i30so2600643wxd for ; Sun, 20 May 2007 23:02:49 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=D5K3eaT30GDBKmCX4uW62GHfLqzjM234OUr5dkPU1YjkkWG78scE0BJf3YuZhGUA/5gRDtfZSrLwaZLBmBOBQkIbjOYU/dncHvKSfxUpKNly9DymrVPj9qKV6dE0TRbP2cBPO+Xd3O5ax7bkDPzVyHnJ+IaPUoHcUwSXR4ySjrM= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=oaDWaNii4SsFSCmbEeumeCBDWmNIgoA5dzowonx990qjCPbXDAqEx1wOBco2a4lOFT8OtE2VZpmEeyXKqEehiq4fb2l3pwtAiERGSe4vkZ+0vt4GN9FQjGHtSmLZXWQ4PvfoMS7v9m9fmzW8S2Dij9YAbZs2Zr3+v+g+NR9rBqs= Received: by 10.70.131.19 with SMTP id e19mr6460805wxd.1179727369079; Sun, 20 May 2007 23:02:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.70.9.19 with HTTP; Sun, 20 May 2007 23:02:48 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <2f91285f0705202302u4ca94bf1lc385e03f1d4e55a0@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 21 May 2007 07:02:49 +0100 From: "Vid Sintef" To: lojban-beginners@lojban.org Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: distinction between gismu & cmavo In-Reply-To: <200705202120.13810.phma@phma.optus.nu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_45925_31674069.1179727369008" References: <2f91285f0705201027w32358e69v3e6093496d67cc5d@mail.gmail.com> <20070520205750.GM7871@digitalkingdom.org> <2f91285f0705201557o75faa50avf0eaedd5f309881@mail.gmail.com> <200705202120.13810.phma@phma.optus.nu> X-Spam-Score: 0.0 X-Spam-Score-Int: 0 X-Spam-Bar: / X-archive-position: 4555 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: picos.picos@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-beginners@lojban.org X-list: lojban-beginners Content-Length: 3312 ------=_Part_45925_31674069.1179727369008 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline .uaki'e vid On 5/21/07, Pierre Abbat wrote: > > On Sunday 20 May 2007 18:57, Vid Sintef wrote: > > Isn't an affix something to be "added" to a base word and alter its > > original grammatical nature (like the English "-er" in "longer" or the > > Czech "nej-" in "nejhor=9A=ED" or the Japanese "sa-" in "samayou")? If = it is > > that rafsi are to be "joined" together to make longer words, mustn't > they > > be certain "root" words themselves from which that resulting longer > words' > > meanings would derive, possessing proper semantic essences even though > they > > are not to be spoken as single words. If it is a convention to not use > > rafsi individually, still that doesn't stop them from possessing the > nature > > of base words. > > There are three types of affix in languages: > 1. Affixes that make compound words. All gismu rafsi are of this type > (including "mau", which semantically corresponds to "-er", which is a > derivational affix). > 2. Derivational affixes. Some cmavo rafsi are of this type. These are > usually > prefixes in Lojban, such as "nun-", "tol-", "kam-". > 3. Inflectional affixes. These don't exist in Lojban. > > phma > > > > ------=_Part_45925_31674069.1179727369008 Content-Type: text/html; charset=WINDOWS-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline .uaki'e

vid


On 5/21/= 07, Pierre Abbat <phma@phma.optus.nu> wrote:
On Sunday 20 May 2007 18:57, Vid Sintef wrote:
> Isn't an affix s= omething to be "added" to a base word and alter its
> origi= nal grammatical nature (like the English "-er" in "longer&qu= ot; or the
> Czech "nej-" in "nejhor=9A=ED" or the Japanese= "sa-" in "samayou")? If it is
> that rafsi are t= o be "joined" together to make longer words, mustn't they
> be certain "root" words themselves from which that resulting= longer words'
> meanings would derive, possessing proper semanti= c essences even though they
> are not to be spoken as single words. I= f it is a convention to not use
> rafsi individually, still that doesn't stop them from possessi= ng the nature
> of base words.

There are three types of affix = in languages:
1. Affixes that make compound words. All gismu rafsi are o= f this type
(including "mau", which semantically corresponds to "-er= ", which is a
derivational affix).
2. Derivational affixes. Some= cmavo rafsi are of this type. These are usually
prefixes in Lojban, suc= h as "nun-", "tol-", "kam-".
3. Inflectional affixes. These don't exist in Lojban.

phma



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