Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-beginners); Sun, 13 May 2007 13:57:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1HnL81-0001gU-HW for lojban-beginners-real@lojban.org; Sun, 13 May 2007 13:57:18 -0700 Received: from wx-out-0506.google.com ([66.249.82.228]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1HnL7y-0001gE-1u for lojban-beginners@lojban.org; Sun, 13 May 2007 13:57:17 -0700 Received: by wx-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id i30so2432544wxd for ; Sun, 13 May 2007 13:57:12 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=AqJYbtOo2Cyq5QYzI0r+aAhMqqdMrkxL0ws+SFGUjeyateVxMeuucYJjocwus/4MSvIbWmiLkEOIFr2iC5jNu3wKVyVl3oZkKf3QZ9L9Jw7PnkzBfVsndGjiubq6+bp1mahXozgwn6qDz/fzFQ2Ht72phnEE0xSJ0VvBh2C9meo= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=U3l9EAIndsmJq0+MxaP77BI+BEtoBeMQUB9hEYI7FDt8GdwqWAUSIFsEbpHYf5Ma/UhU1J7hPJVM/O1LSVMiMDSwXdqerGdhOUAMKr5PxUDadtbRiiVC9cQhmGA9maeKciLRA32XJCJs9O4VPG22keoecKv+5eR+uW/qu2quJow= Received: by 10.70.117.1 with SMTP id p1mr8652992wxc.1179089832314; Sun, 13 May 2007 13:57:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.70.19.13 with HTTP; Sun, 13 May 2007 13:57:12 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Sun, 13 May 2007 21:57:12 +0100 From: "james riley" To: lojban-beginners@lojban.org Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: Learn to speak Lojban? In-Reply-To: <200705132344.18115.todurov@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_5055_12342635.1179089832157" References: <1179085266.464769d236db0@ssl0.ovh.net> <200705132344.18115.todurov@gmail.com> X-Spam-Score: 0.0 X-Spam-Score-Int: 0 X-Spam-Bar: / X-archive-position: 4459 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: jimr1603@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-beginners@lojban.org X-list: lojban-beginners Content-Length: 3576 ------=_Part_5055_12342635.1179089832157 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline In fact, there is a new site for spoken lojban http://jbobac.lojban.org/ . It's a sort of lojbanic-audioboard. There's also a teamspeak server there. >From what I see of the structure lojban is definately to be spoken. However= , since we seem to be quite spread out it seems that most lojbanic conversing happens in #lojban. mu'o mi'e cmacis On 13/05/07, Elmo Todurov wrote: > > =DChel kenal p=E4eval (p=FChap=E4ev 13 mai 2007 10:41 pm) kirjutas > m.kornig@sondal.net: > > (1) How many people there are approximately who can > > actually use Lojban for ORAL communication at > > an A1 level or higher? None? 10? 100? Thousands? > My wild guess is 20-50. > > > (2) Is Lojban meant to be spoken (rather than written > > or read) at all? > Yes. > > > (3) Can I learn to SPEAK Lojban from the websites > > currently provided? Has anyone ever succeeded to do > > so? > Yes, certainly, Nick did that. But it's way easier if you can learn > together > with somebody and in general, practice oral communications. Skype and > other > VoIP ways are easy to use and pretty useful for that. > > > (4) And if the answer to (3) is yes: how many hours > > will it approximately take to achieve oral A1 > > proficiency in Lojban? > Depends entirely on you. I was a slow learner, I have been interested in > Lojban since winter 2004/2005. > > ------=_Part_5055_12342635.1179089832157 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline In fact, there is a new site for spoken lojban http://jbobac.lojban.org/ . It's a sort of lojbanic-audio= board.
There's also a teamspeak server there.

From what I se= e of the structure lojban is definately to be spoken. However, since we see= m to be quite spread out it seems that most lojbanic conversing happens in = #lojban.

mu'o mi'e cmacis
On 13/= 05/07, Elmo Todurov <todurov@gmail.com> wrote:
=DChel kenal p=E4eval (p=FChap=E4ev 13 mai 2007 10:41 pm) kirjutas
m.kornig@sondal.net:
> (1) How = many people there are approximately who can
> actually use Lojban for= ORAL communication at
> an A1 level or higher? None? 10? 100? Thousands?
My wild guess = is 20-50.

> (2) Is Lojban meant to be spoken (rather than written=
> or read) at all?
Yes.

> (3) Can I learn to SPEAK Lojb= an from the websites
> currently provided? Has anyone ever succeeded to do
> so?Yes, certainly, Nick did that. But it's way easier if you can learn to= gether
with somebody and in general, practice oral communications. Skype= and other
VoIP ways are easy to use and pretty useful for that.

> (4) A= nd if the answer to (3) is yes: how many hours
> will it approximatel= y take to achieve oral A1
> proficiency in Lojban?
Depends entirel= y on you. I was a slow learner, I have been interested in
Lojban since winter 2004/2005.


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