Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-beginners); Sun, 13 May 2007 21:28:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1HnSAO-0002P6-Q3 for lojban-beginners-real@lojban.org; Sun, 13 May 2007 21:28:13 -0700 Received: from 25.mail-out.ovh.net ([213.186.37.103]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1HnSAJ-0002Ov-DP for lojban-beginners@lojban.org; Sun, 13 May 2007 21:28:12 -0700 Received: (qmail 10366 invoked by uid 503); 14 May 2007 02:36:52 -0000 Received: (QMFILT: 1.0); 14 May 2007 02:36:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail19.ha.ovh.net) (213.186.33.59) by 25.mail-out.ovh.net with SMTP; 14 May 2007 02:36:52 -0000 Received: from b0.ovh.net (HELO queue-out) (213.186.33.50) by b0.ovh.net with SMTP; 14 May 2007 04:28:03 -0000 Received: from 139.141-224-89.dsl.completel.net (139.141-224-89.dsl.completel.net [89.224.141.139]) by ssl0.ovh.net (IMP) with HTTP for ; Mon, 14 May 2007 06:28:03 +0200 Message-ID: <1179116883.4647e553e97c0@ssl0.ovh.net> Date: Mon, 14 May 2007 06:28:03 +0200 From: m.kornig@sondal.net To: lojban-beginners@lojban.org Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: Learn to speak Lojban? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) 3.2.6 X-Originating-IP: 89.224.141.139 X-Spam-Score: 0.6 X-Spam-Score-Int: 6 X-Spam-Bar: / X-archive-position: 4462 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: m.kornig@sondal.net Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-beginners@lojban.org X-list: lojban-beginners Content-Length: 953 Selon Elmo Todurov : > ...But it's way easier if you can learn together > with somebody and in general, practice oral communications. Skype and other > VoIP ways are easy to use and pretty useful for that. Skype is telephone communication, isn't it? I'm sorry Elmo, but I doubt that this would help much since: a/ There are apparently only very few speakers. b/ Not all of them may be willing to speak to a stranger over the phone. c/ Also, there will probably always be much more learners than teachers (who actually can help or teach in a reasonable way). c/ Due to different time zones around the world, it may be hard to find a partner who is available at a given time, i.e. not sleeping, working, eating, doing something else... d/ It's difficult to create a common environment over the phone which I think is important for beginners. For instance, it's difficult to point at things... Martin