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From: Elmo Todurov <todurov@gmail.com>
To: lojban-beginners@lojban.org
Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: Learn to speak Lojban?
Date: Mon, 14 May 2007 08:05:48 +0300
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=DChel kenal p=E4eval (esmasp=E4ev 14 mai 2007 7:28 am) kirjutas=20
m.kornig@sondal.net:
> Selon Elmo Todurov <todurov@gmail.com>:
> > ...But it's way easier if you can learn together
> > with somebody and in general, practice oral communications. Skype and
> > other VoIP ways are easy to use and pretty useful for that.
>
> Skype is telephone communication, isn't it? I'm
> sorry Elmo, but I doubt that this would help much
> since:
>
> a/ There are apparently only very few speakers.
Well... Robin's estimate of 50 will make quite a chatter.

> b/ Not all of them may be willing to speak
>    to a stranger over the phone.
Ask around, you'll never know before you've tried. Try asking me for exampl=
e.

> c/ Also, there will probably always be much more
>    learners than teachers (who actually can help
>    or teach in a reasonable way).
Maybe. However, currently you're alone and we're 50 (Well, substract the 90=
%=20
that aren't willing or can't talk to you, that leaves 5 people.) I'd say it=
's=20
plenty. Just ask.

> c/ Due to different time zones around the world,
>    it may be hard to find a partner who is available
>    at a given time, i.e. not sleeping, working,
>    eating, doing something else...
Might require some orchestrating, yes, but it has been done. It's mostly a=
=20
matter of figuring out when your partner sleeps. Try asking them.

> d/ It's difficult to create a common environment
>    over the phone which I think is important for
>    beginners. For instance, it's difficult to point
>    at things...
Well, yes, but it's possible to paste URLs with pictures or something.

There's yet another aspect, it's uncomfortable to phone a total stranger. I=
=20
was 2 years into Lojban, when I first did anything oral. Anyway, the busies=
t=20
place in Lojbanistan is the IRC channel #lojban on Freenode network. It's=20
also the best place to look ask for help/Skype/whatever.

Elmo

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