Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-beginners); Wed, 23 May 2007 20:02:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1Hr3b7-00055v-KA for lojban-beginners-real@lojban.org; Wed, 23 May 2007 20:02:41 -0700 Received: from phma.optus.nu ([166.82.175.165] helo=ixazon.dynip.com) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1Hr3b5-00055n-6i for lojban-beginners@lojban.org; Wed, 23 May 2007 20:02:41 -0700 Received: from chausie (unknown [192.168.7.4]) by ixazon.dynip.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 085E4CE89B for ; Wed, 23 May 2007 23:02:36 -0400 (EDT) From: Pierre Abbat To: lojban-beginners@lojban.org Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: dicussions about basic vocabulary Date: Wed, 23 May 2007 23:02:34 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.5 References: <1179942426.46547e1a60fa0@ssl0.ovh.net> <20070523184959.GL7871@digitalkingdom.org> In-Reply-To: <20070523184959.GL7871@digitalkingdom.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200705232302.34640.phma@phma.optus.nu> X-Spam-Score: 0.5 X-Spam-Score-Int: 5 X-Spam-Bar: / X-archive-position: 4636 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: phma@phma.optus.nu Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-beginners@lojban.org X-list: lojban-beginners Content-Length: 860 On Wednesday 23 May 2007 14:50, Robin Lee Powell wrote: > On Wed, May 23, 2007 at 07:47:06PM +0200, m.kornig@sondal.net wrote: > > Or is it some intrinsic feature of Lojban itself? Meaning that the > > Lojban vocabulary is not well defined (yet)? > > Yes. I say that the intrinsic feature of Lojban is that it divides semantic space differently than other languages you know. It uses something much like a verb to express what in European languages are expressed with nouns, so when you pick a word for "neighbor", the word you use depends on what goes in place 2. Also it has different semantic criteria for picking which word to call something; this happens with any two languages, and happens more the less related they are. E.g. bottles and jars are both botpi, the ctile/grasu distinction isn't the same as the oil/grease/fat distinction. phma