Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-beginners); Thu, 24 May 2007 09:35:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1HrGHS-0005z2-52 for lojban-beginners-real@lojban.org; Thu, 24 May 2007 09:35:14 -0700 Received: from 25.mail-out.ovh.net ([213.186.37.103]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1HrGHN-0005yU-L5 for lojban-beginners@lojban.org; Thu, 24 May 2007 09:35:13 -0700 Received: (qmail 27843 invoked by uid 503); 24 May 2007 16:33:16 -0000 Received: (QMFILT: 1.0); 24 May 2007 16:33:16 -0000 Received: from b6.ovh.net (HELO mail236.ha.ovh.net) (213.186.33.56) by 25.mail-out.ovh.net with SMTP; 24 May 2007 16:33:16 -0000 Received: from b0.ovh.net (HELO queue-out) (213.186.33.50) by b0.ovh.net with SMTP; 24 May 2007 16:35:04 -0000 Received: from 40.102-225-89.dsl.completel.net (40.102-225-89.dsl.completel.net [89.225.102.40]) by ssl0.ovh.net (IMP) with HTTP for ; Thu, 24 May 2007 18:35:04 +0200 Message-ID: <1180024504.4655beb8a97fc@ssl0.ovh.net> Date: Thu, 24 May 2007 18:35:04 +0200 From: m.kornig@sondal.net To: lojban-beginners@lojban.org Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: dicussions about basic vocabulary MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) 3.2.6 X-Originating-IP: 89.225.102.40 X-Spam-Score: 0.6 X-Spam-Score-Int: 6 X-Spam-Bar: / X-archive-position: 4644 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: m.kornig@sondal.net Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-beginners@lojban.org X-list: lojban-beginners Content-Length: 1174 I think the lack of consensus for everyday words makes Lojban rather difficult to learn. Consensus would probably help to reduce the number of words to learn and thus accelerate the learning process. And because it's difficult to learn, few people speak it and there's little chance to reach "natural" consensus. Maybe a standard "imposed" dictionary of (say 10000) common everyday words could solve this dilemma? It would certainly help Lojban teachers and those who develop methods, textbooks, e-learning tools, etc. Martin Selon Philip Newton : > On 5/23/07, m.kornig@sondal.net wrote: > > Or is it some intrinsic feature of Lojban itself? Meaning > > that the Lojban vocabulary is not well defined (yet)? > > I think one factor is that Lojban hasn't been used as much as many > natlangs, so for many words with multiple options, no one option has > ended up being the most common, by consensus, because people haven't > spoken thousands and millions of words and hashed out which one they > "liked best" (because they thought it most memorable, most accurate, > most useful in terms of place structure, or whatever).