Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-beginners); Thu, 24 May 2007 15:26:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1HrLlW-0005HG-Dl for lojban-beginners-real@lojban.org; Thu, 24 May 2007 15:26:38 -0700 Received: from ug-out-1314.google.com ([66.249.92.171]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1HrLlT-0005H9-4v for lojban-beginners@lojban.org; Thu, 24 May 2007 15:26:38 -0700 Received: by ug-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id 78so576589ugn for ; Thu, 24 May 2007 15:26:33 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:from:organization:to:subject:date:user-agent:references:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:message-id; b=hG56yPFMbdu2gXf2xyyrFWLGUFqoeIZkvEJ2ezVVP9S4kszBfVcMGbfjH5EPJClv21Z8LQH+JZ2dCzXzCkncsmKbBQpWbv07dETBZNDAUhNmtY6o6MHAnoji4D2dCJ8kaJmVON/msZAN0nbnmCv8P2Si/10eHg5C0v/50IV0Bl0= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:from:organization:to:subject:date:user-agent:references:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:message-id; b=MHmnNldua3s81yLhtl16Xalwmn4VDo19A8YQte+lJrsRLNwVmjy+/WsuVa45rfGL3rmLko7a92L4IDPex0EikCxMNsCi8Heh461d5rIRCAquDRgZWtfMPbeS89J/HoDO2H1992c1pndB94iLU4Dj3qQFTmQvYagnd6r0et9xgeE= Received: by 10.82.158.12 with SMTP id g12mr4224138bue.1180045592851; Thu, 24 May 2007 15:26:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from hithaiglin.local ( [81.70.14.207]) by mx.google.com with ESMTP id 34sm879567nfu.2007.05.24.15.26.31; Thu, 24 May 2007 15:26:31 -0700 (PDT) From: Dominic van Berkel Organization: Nazgjunk.nl To: lojban-beginners@lojban.org Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: dicussions about basic vocabulary Date: Fri, 25 May 2007 00:19:04 +0200 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.6 References: <1180044114.46560b52223fd@ssl0.ovh.net> In-Reply-To: <1180044114.46560b52223fd@ssl0.ovh.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200705250019.05134.nazgjunk@gmail.com> X-Spam-Score: 0.0 X-Spam-Score-Int: 0 X-Spam-Bar: / X-archive-position: 4654 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: nazgjunk@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-beginners@lojban.org X-list: lojban-beginners Content-Length: 1505 On Friday 25 May 2007 00:01:54 m.kornig@sondal.net wrote: > Oh, no! This is not what I mean, Robin. > > I'm not worried about the root words, i.e. "gismu" and > "cmavo" (?). There seems to be consensus about these. And there > are only a few thousand of them, as you pointed out. This > should be relatively easy to learn. Well, some of them may > not even be in the 10000 word dictionary I have in mind. > Remember I want "everyday words". For instance, I think > that some of the gismu are a bit too general to be relevant > for everyday communication. > > I'm rather worried about the huge number of combinations > and derivations! This is where I think there is a lack > of consensus among speakers. Some of these combinations > are realy difficult to tell apart. And everybody seems > to have their own preferences. > > This is what is difficult to cope with for beginners. > > So it's not a questions of Lojban being too poot in vocabulary. > On the contrary, I think Lojban is too rich (at least for a > beginner)! > > Martin > Theoretically, we have the words - but no way in hell we have 10,000 words on which consensus has been reached, and that's what's necessary for the dictionary you're talking about. Lojban has a huge (pretty much infinite) vocab by combining different gismu and cmavo, but that doesn't mean we have the words to build a dictionary. Dominic / Nazgjunk / mi'e pocev -- "Bi-la Kaifa" "Pure Vernunft darf niemals siegen" -- Tocotronic www.nazgjunk.nl - Poetry&Blog