Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-beginners); Fri, 25 May 2007 01:53:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1HrVXq-0007Y9-QP for lojban-beginners-real@lojban.org; Fri, 25 May 2007 01:53:11 -0700 Received: from wr-out-0506.google.com ([64.233.184.227]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1HrVXn-0007Xz-O1 for lojban-beginners@lojban.org; Fri, 25 May 2007 01:53:10 -0700 Received: by wr-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id 76so268577wra for ; Fri, 25 May 2007 01:53:03 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=QDzVcWSHPV3aNpC+qPIuR+EahgWDKdvkL31BqqAInO0D1hGXIjAF/RAD9UKLm5iGGIfvj1vmpJgxUcxj0f2AMcYuqj4hQ2VvFLorDfnnUTT8Aj7S39yVdYT07L4t0B9//yfl55VGZ2u8TYq1+cz1Uwv/7OGsJHwWl2MH9kkmgeg= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=tH+HYuExrriFeacii116aFhBRO70dOcEw+r9lCXvX4QYWtISZr/eMY8npJIIVe08Dl4KHTh7Q1ypPixdqpiiyoJ6kD7aapHSMijO8/uinu36Q+Ypx+jDDTMTMScgZgP3h0jOsA5vOFNmCljh1UsG4d1UayHJ5fIJQZFVgDX++w0= Received: by 10.114.154.1 with SMTP id b1mr1416973wae.1180083182375; Fri, 25 May 2007 01:53:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.114.148.2 with HTTP; Fri, 25 May 2007 01:53:02 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <411a52d90705250153k79c94339o5c3aabef184e0019@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 25 May 2007 10:53:02 +0200 From: "=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Hans_Isbr=FCcker?=" To: lojban-beginners@lojban.org Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: Dutch In-Reply-To: <200705242324.59504.phma@phma.optus.nu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_129726_24585883.1180083182337" References: <1180036965.4655ef65c902a@ssl0.ovh.net> <200705242217.05847.nazgjunk@gmail.com> <200705242324.59504.phma@phma.optus.nu> X-Spam-Score: 0.0 X-Spam-Score-Int: 0 X-Spam-Bar: / X-archive-position: 4657 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: hisbrucker@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-beginners@lojban.org X-list: lojban-beginners Content-Length: 2701 ------=_Part_129726_24585883.1180083182337 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Rarely used though in this case. On 5/25/07, Pierre Abbat wrote: > > On Thursday 24 May 2007 16:17, Dominic van Berkel wrote: > > On Thursday 24 May 2007 22:02:45 m.kornig@sondal.net wrote: > > > 3/ Are there any accents or special letters in Dutch, > > > i.e. letters other than the 26 letters of the English > > > alphabet? > > > > Yeah, but mostly in loanwords. A common one is any vowel with an umlaut= , > to > > point out that it should be pronounced separated from the preceding > > identical vowel. So, if I say "ge=EBerd" (honoured), the first e is > unvoiced > > (close to {y}), and the second and third e are pronounced together in a > > long sound, close to ay in "bay". What the exact sounds are depends on > > position in the word and other silly details. > > There's also the acute accent, used to distinguish "=E9=E9n" (one) from "= een" > (an). > > phma > > > > ------=_Part_129726_24585883.1180083182337 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Rarely used though in this case.

On= 5/25/07, Pierre Abbat <phma@phma.optus.nu> wrote: On Thursday 24 May 2007 16:17, Dominic van Berkel wrote:
> On Thursda= y 24 May 2007 22:02:45 m.kornig@sond= al.net wrote:
> > 3/ Are there any accents or special letters = in Dutch,
> >    i.e. letters other than the 26 letters= of the English
> >    alphabet?
>
&g= t; Yeah, but mostly in loanwords. A common one is any vowel with an umlaut,= to
> point out that it should be pronounced separated from the prece= ding
> identical vowel. So, if I say "ge=EBerd" (honoured), the= first e is unvoiced
> (close to {y}), and the second and third e are= pronounced together in a
> long sound, close to ay in "bay"= ;. What the exact sounds are depends on
> position in the word and other silly details.

There's a= lso the acute accent, used to distinguish "=E9=E9n" (one) from &q= uot;een"
(an).

phma




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