Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-beginners); Sat, 26 May 2007 08:04:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1Hrxp1-0004LK-EF for lojban-beginners-real@lojban.org; Sat, 26 May 2007 08:04:50 -0700 Received: from 25.mail-out.ovh.net ([213.186.37.103]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1Hrxoc-0004L6-IK for lojban-beginners@lojban.org; Sat, 26 May 2007 08:04:41 -0700 Received: (qmail 21465 invoked by uid 503); 26 May 2007 15:02:09 -0000 Received: (QMFILT: 1.0); 26 May 2007 15:02:09 -0000 Received: from b7.ovh.net (HELO mail85.ha.ovh.net) (213.186.33.57) by 25.mail-out.ovh.net with SMTP; 26 May 2007 15:02:09 -0000 Received: from b0.ovh.net (HELO queue-out) (213.186.33.50) by b0.ovh.net with SMTP; 26 May 2007 15:03:51 -0000 Received: from 83.40-225-89.dsl.completel.net (83.40-225-89.dsl.completel.net [89.225.40.83]) by ssl0.ovh.net (IMP) with HTTP for ; Sat, 26 May 2007 17:03:51 +0200 Message-ID: <1180191831.46584c5722938@ssl0.ovh.net> Date: Sat, 26 May 2007 17:03:51 +0200 From: m.kornig@sondal.net To: lojban-beginners@lojban.org Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: BPFK Taskmaster MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) 3.2.6 X-Originating-IP: 89.225.40.83 X-Spam-Score: 0.6 X-Spam-Score-Int: 6 X-Spam-Bar: / X-archive-position: 4691 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: m.kornig@sondal.net Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-beginners@lojban.org X-list: lojban-beginners Content-Length: 1355 Selon Jorge Llambías : > On 5/25/07, ANDREW PIEKARSKI wrote: > > Beginners will feel more comfortable knowing that the text they > > are studying has gone through the process. > > In my opinion, beginners should not feel uncomfortable tackling any > of the existing texts as if they were correct. If they aren't quite perfect > in some detail, what's the problem? Well the problem is that you may learn something wrong. This may cause confusion and later you may have to unlearn it. That takes time and is NOT sufficient. An efficient method wants to avoid confusion and errors as far as possile. Pedagogical aspects are VERY important for a minority language like Lojban. In particular, since Lojban claims to be easy to learn! >From my limited experience, I would say that Lojban is actually quite difficult to learn. But I suspect this is not because Lojban is difficult as such but because methods and learning materials accessable on the internet at the moment are of poor quality. I do believe that this is an ESSENTIAL issue. What is the point in learning an exotic and rare language that is difficult to learn (and will therefore stay exotic and rare) after all? The day I discover that Lojban IS difficult to learn in spite of efficient learning materials I will stop bothering about it. Martin