Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-beginners); Sun, 27 May 2007 22:08:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1HsXT0-0003vA-Vl for lojban-beginners-real@lojban.org; Sun, 27 May 2007 22:08:27 -0700 Received: from 25.mail-out.ovh.net ([213.186.37.103]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1HsXSy-0003v1-GT for lojban-beginners@lojban.org; Sun, 27 May 2007 22:08:26 -0700 Received: (qmail 13366 invoked by uid 503); 28 May 2007 05:05:53 -0000 Received: (QMFILT: 1.0); 28 May 2007 05:05:53 -0000 Received: from b6.ovh.net (HELO mail236.ha.ovh.net) (213.186.33.56) by 25.mail-out.ovh.net with SMTP; 28 May 2007 05:05:53 -0000 Received: from b0.ovh.net (HELO queue-out) (213.186.33.50) by b0.ovh.net with SMTP; 28 May 2007 05:08:22 -0000 Received: from 49.85-225-89.dsl.completel.net (49.85-225-89.dsl.completel.net [89.225.85.49]) by ssl0.ovh.net (IMP) with HTTP for ; Mon, 28 May 2007 07:08:22 +0200 Message-ID: <1180328902.465a63c6448be@ssl0.ovh.net> Date: Mon, 28 May 2007 07:08:22 +0200 From: m.kornig@sondal.net To: lojban-beginners@lojban.org Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: My First Lojban Words 1.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) 3.2.6 X-Originating-IP: 89.225.85.49 X-Spam-Score: 0.6 X-Spam-Score-Int: 6 X-Spam-Bar: / X-archive-position: 4746 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: m.kornig@sondal.net Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-beginners@lojban.org X-list: lojban-beginners Content-Length: 1074 Vid (and all the others), I see Lojban as a language that is meant to be spoken, i.e. used for ORAL (and written) communication between people. Just like any other natural language... The fact that it has been created "artificially" does NOT mean that it is not fit for this purpose. Nor less suitable. Nor more difficult to learn, etc. And it does not mean either that pedagogical concepts that seem to work for other languages can't/shouldn't be applied. I remember that this was my first question a few weeks ago (?) for this mailing list. The answer was: yes, Lojban is meant to be spoken! Actually, I would not bother to learn a language that is restricted to written communication or (even worse if I may say so) to internet/email communication. And once I have learnt some more, may be in a year or so, I expect to meet up with some of you to see whether it really works, and whether the words (and the grammar) I've learnt are really useful... Maybe this explains the different views we seem to have on "useful" words to learn for beginners? Cheers, Martin