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On 6/2/07, Vid Sintef <picos.picos@gmail.com> wrote:
> In Lojban For Beginners Chapter 15: Properties,
>
> mi mansa do leka ce'u pensi: I satisfy you that the property "x1 is
> intelligent" applies to me.
>
> What does this "applies to me" mean? Does it mean that the { ce'u } here is
> (somehow) specialized to mean "me"? If so, why? Previously the author says,
> when explaining { le ka ce'u xlura }, "anyone or anything that has that
> property can stand in for ce'u". So, theoretically, shouldn't { mi mansa do
> leka ce'u pensi } also mean something like "I satisfy you so that you can
> cogitate (something)"?

{le ka ce'u pensi} is the property that anyone who thinks has,
i.e. the property of being a thinker.

The predicate {mansa} means: "x1 satisfies evaluator x2 that x1
has property x3", "x2 is satisfied that x1 has property x3".

So {mi mansa do leka ce'u pensi} means that you are satisfied
that I have the property of thinking.

The connection between the property in x3 and the person or thing
in x1 is part of the meaning of the predicate {mansa}.

Practically all predicates that take a property (ka) as one of their
arguments will also have another argument for the holder of the
property. In the case of {mansa} it's x3 for the property and x1
for the holder.

mu'o mi'e xorxes