Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-beginners); Sun, 03 Jun 2007 08:43:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1HusEV-0000T0-Ob for lojban-beginners-real@lojban.org; Sun, 03 Jun 2007 08:43:09 -0700 Received: from an-out-0708.google.com ([209.85.132.250]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1HusEH-0000L3-8i for lojban-beginners@lojban.org; Sun, 03 Jun 2007 08:43:05 -0700 Received: by an-out-0708.google.com with SMTP id b21so289689ana for ; Sun, 03 Jun 2007 08:42:48 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=hnegdHnsCPsaCJhjTcsbx88mAVFj1D5yD5ISct31JBma+p21mI5+n5zsv8NzoabaqpuZJsc1rK6FtoQOC8EP7QfNb+PEeMyPwTAGIPXk6Zq2YwN2YMuor9Fp3lHNYQOrGLCWpMhw0nkLwllXguvFm0XXVIj+wHZ9r3vdCiUS3OQ= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=ahk/jNE1UbI4QmFsYtDrg6QGrambU/SQ5+nTQ5NZTxR2lK7zhPHXYF3oNtxaoPIttz+p+ml3HZB/oQIy2lyyEcDneyclT0T2iF3I9+KCtN6PS2JlmhIDJay8qILnDZW4//Lj1fLCEdxqyH/69/SEbewr0ygxexNc8ik5x9aqW3I= Received: by 10.100.196.3 with SMTP id t3mr2120837anf.1180885368469; Sun, 03 Jun 2007 08:42:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.100.42.12 with HTTP; Sun, 3 Jun 2007 08:42:48 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <925d17560706030842v5d131103y9ca985fc047f6562@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sun, 3 Jun 2007 12:42:48 -0300 From: "=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jorge_Llamb=EDas?=" To: lojban-beginners@lojban.org Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: {ce'u} In-Reply-To: <2f91285f0706030428p2f697695g1a78aaa69a62566d@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <2f91285f0706020855x9eecf9bjbfbd5f66fe24b716@mail.gmail.com> <925d17560706020958y2b7b58bdlc6037205025e5c57@mail.gmail.com> <2f91285f0706021129i45aef9bape50fa1350d444428@mail.gmail.com> <925d17560706021248m394ea6d4sab69b28462d05cda@mail.gmail.com> <2f91285f0706030428p2f697695g1a78aaa69a62566d@mail.gmail.com> X-Spam-Score: 0.0 X-Spam-Score-Int: 0 X-Spam-Bar: / X-archive-position: 4836 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: jjllambias@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-beginners@lojban.org X-list: lojban-beginners Content-Length: 345 On 6/3/07, Vid Sintef wrote: > Can there be any shorter equivalent of { le ka ce'u simsa la > arnold.cfartseneger. kei poi se ckaji mi }? You could omit {ce'u}, since when the first place is vacant that's where it is normally assumed to go, and also you could say {poi mi ckaji}, thus avoiding {se}. mu'o mi'e xorxes