Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-beginners); Mon, 18 Jun 2007 12:52:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1I0NHJ-00043w-I4 for lojban-beginners-real@lojban.org; Mon, 18 Jun 2007 12:52:46 -0700 Received: from an-out-0708.google.com ([209.85.132.250]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1I0NHG-00043n-R3 for lojban-beginners@lojban.org; Mon, 18 Jun 2007 12:52:45 -0700 Received: by an-out-0708.google.com with SMTP id b21so425872ana for ; Mon, 18 Jun 2007 12:52:41 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=QG3uDXfWtwGpPv0gXa8VYFRh2Jp/zrgynUVk1aS2+nAo17GXDfyOgmtapa9rJH0DcT80PBiHI7/Icc0aMinkVNwaK03lbtuU98G2ZeJAXUreXYkn5I7GcEHW2y5YxQaLD1aRgvJ0kpdI72RBDT6ePJz2DGWhNAx4Ki/vBxXvcEM= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=fvSj+/3XVNAEKDovNIZAazMfA2N4D9sLH80XfZxgbEh9LofqQyQp5JJVWID5v4OUZdqpHFLtxgcjQGqUXrDri7LWroW4+ghEIbcKyEHiyJKTSx3Jj537OpFizOVj1wf7Eo7bxfYIHooJkZ0pvGlkAkRVxHq7Yh/13r+IYioZ/Ok= Received: by 10.100.174.16 with SMTP id w16mr3769854ane.1182196360837; Mon, 18 Jun 2007 12:52:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.100.42.17 with HTTP; Mon, 18 Jun 2007 12:52:40 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <925d17560706181252x39a5bd2dg53abd9e3e70c0757@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2007 16:52:40 -0300 From: "=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jorge_Llamb=EDas?=" To: lojban-beginners@lojban.org Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: Dots and spaces (was: Logical connectives) In-Reply-To: <2f91285f0706181243k424e015bn2d66d5cf996a9f81@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <2f91285f0706171228n2058d9a3k393cbef9f3c2bae6@mail.gmail.com> <1189A858F8918F43BE3F9C7603C73FB4031E7DCA@0456-its-exmp01.us.saic.com> <2f91285f0706180642q1a6965d0l99a2bc2a553dd919@mail.gmail.com> <925d17560706180748o3f27b113g904c34edc410af3@mail.gmail.com> <2f91285f0706181243k424e015bn2d66d5cf996a9f81@mail.gmail.com> X-Spam-Score: 0.0 X-Spam-Score-Int: 0 X-Spam-Bar: / X-archive-position: 5030 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: jjllambias@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-beginners@lojban.org X-list: lojban-beginners Content-Length: 936 On 6/18/07, Vid Sintef wrote: > > How about {le mi cukta xunre}, where I don't want {mi} to modify the whole > {le cukta xunre} but only {cukta} (so, "the redness which is peculiar to the > book of mine" rather than "the book-specific redness which has to do with > me")? That could be {le me mi cukta xunre}. {me mi} is a tanru component, {mi} is not. > Is it an explicit sumti linking which I have to use in that case: {le > cukta pe mi xunre} or {le xunre co cukta pe mi}? {le cukta pe mi xunre} is a full bridi that means "my book is red". {le cukta pe mi} is a sumti, and {xunre} is the selbri. {pe} attaches a sumti to another sumti, not to a brivla, like {be} does. So when you say {le cukta pe ...} you know that the sumti that starts with {le} is finished, {xunre} cannot be part of that sumti. In {le xunre co cukta pe mi}, {mi} is attached to the sumti {le xunre co cukta}. mu'o mi'e xorxes