Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-beginners); Wed, 20 Jun 2007 10:14:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1I13lE-0002v7-MH for lojban-beginners-real@lojban.org; Wed, 20 Jun 2007 10:14:29 -0700 Received: from mclmx2.mail.saic.com ([149.8.64.32] ident=[U2FsdGVkX1+QicQ8jo1JmSZ1PDkJtpaLG6edclk4eSo=]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1I13lA-0002uj-EQ for lojban-beginners@lojban.org; Wed, 20 Jun 2007 10:14:28 -0700 Received: from 0015-its-ieg01.mail.saic.com ([149.8.64.21] [149.8.64.21]) by mclmx2.mail.saic.com id BT-MMP-581575 for lojban-beginners@lojban.org; Wed, 20 Jun 2007 13:14:06 -0400 Received: from 0015-its-exbh02.us.saic.com ([10.43.229.22]) by 0015-its-ieg01.mail.saic.com (SMSSMTP 4.0.5.66) with SMTP id M2007062013140623521 for ; Wed, 20 Jun 2007 13:14:06 -0400 Received: from 0456-its-exmp01.us.saic.com ([10.75.0.188]) by 0015-its-exbh02.us.saic.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Wed, 20 Jun 2007 13:14:06 -0400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by Ecartis Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: non-bridi grammar? Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2007 13:14:06 -0400 Message-Id: <1189A858F8918F43BE3F9C7603C73FB4031E7DE5@0456-its-exmp01.us.saic.com> In-Reply-To: <1182358347.46795b4bf325b@ssl0.ovh.net> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [lojban-beginners] non-bridi grammar? Thread-Index: AcezW+jL04SwxYtBRxKaL7uS1DIKYwAAYT6Q From: "Turniansky, Michael [UNK]" To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 20 Jun 2007 17:14:06.0687 (UTC) FILETIME=[689E96F0:01C7B35E] X-Spam-Score: 0.1 X-Spam-Score-Int: 1 X-Spam-Bar: / X-archive-position: 5072 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: MICHAEL.A.TURNIANSKY@saic.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-beginners@lojban.org X-list: lojban-beginners Content-Length: 1244 cmavo of type COI take a following sumti and the combined phrase functions grammtically like discursives grammtically like a UI, that is to say, it can appear basically anywhere in a sentece. For example, the following is perfectly grammatical: le mi gerku coi pat cu blabi => my dog (Hi, Pat!) is white. An utterance doesn't have to be a sentence/brivla. For example, if someone asks: ma pa citka ta ("Who ate that?") A perfectly valid response is "oi sai ro'e le blabi gerku po'e mi" (grrr... the white dog, which belongs to me), which isn't a brivla, either, but is an multi-word utterance. --gejyspa -----Original Message----- From: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org [mailto:lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org] On Behalf Of m.kornig@sondal.net Sent: Wednesday, June 20, 2007 12:52 PM To: Lojban mailing for beginners Subject: [lojban-beginners] non-bridi grammar? Consider the following: {mi'e pat.} {coi pat.} To my understanding these two sentences do not seem to contain any bridi. Still they contain more than one word and are correct Lojban sentences, aren't they? Such sentences are very useful and probably quite frequent. What's the grammar of these non-bridi (?) more-than-one-word sentences? Martin