Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-beginners); Thu, 28 Jun 2007 03:50:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1I3ra6-0002uz-OH for lojban-beginners-real@lojban.org; Thu, 28 Jun 2007 03:50:35 -0700 Received: from mclmx.mail.saic.com ([149.8.64.10]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1I3rZz-0002tl-29 for lojban-beginners@lojban.org; Thu, 28 Jun 2007 03:50:34 -0700 Received: from 0015-its-ieg02.mail.saic.com ([149.8.64.21] [149.8.64.21]) by mclmx.mail.saic.com id BT-MMP-47989 for lojban-beginners@lojban.org; Thu, 28 Jun 2007 06:50:07 -0400 Received: from 0015-its-exbh02.us.saic.com ([10.43.229.22]) by 0015-its-ieg02.mail.saic.com (SMSSMTP 4.0.5.66) with SMTP id M2007062806500706383 for ; Thu, 28 Jun 2007 06:50:07 -0400 Received: from 0456-its-exmp01.us.saic.com ([10.75.0.188]) by 0015-its-exbh02.us.saic.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Thu, 28 Jun 2007 06:50:06 -0400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by Ecartis Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: la Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2007 06:50:06 -0400 Message-Id: <1189A858F8918F43BE3F9C7603C73FB4031E7E17@0456-its-exmp01.us.saic.com> In-Reply-To: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [lojban-beginners] Re: la Thread-Index: Ace5YcPVaeSu0fexT9W2/8i0Kpr1dwADxCUQ From: "Turniansky, Michael [UNK]" To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 28 Jun 2007 10:50:06.0797 (UTC) FILETIME=[17145FD0:01C7B972] X-Spam-Score: 0.1 X-Spam-Score-Int: 1 X-Spam-Bar: / X-archive-position: 5173 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: MICHAEL.A.TURNIANSKY@saic.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-beginners@lojban.org X-list: lojban-beginners Content-Length: 1410 The answer to your first question is "No and Yes". "la" can be followed by either a series of cmene (name) or any kind of selbri. See the reference grammar, chapter six, section 2, examples 2.6 and following. That's why I call myself gejyspa ("root plant", roughly a translation of my English nickname, "turnip"). With a "la" it means "the one who is called...", so it becomes a name. In answer to your P.S.... well, you can certainly call yourself that, but it would imply a derivation of "a corporate coldness". What you are looking for is kamgek or kamglek (or even "kamgei", which would definitely have the meaning, rather than merely implying a derivation) if you are trying to derive from "ka gleki". --gejyspa -----Original Message----- From: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org [mailto:lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org] On Behalf Of Anand Deopurkar Sent: Thursday, June 28, 2007 3:58 AM To: lojban-beginners@lojban.org Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: la On a slightly unrelated note, does the word that comes after "la" have to be a proper name? (in particular, does it have to end in a vowel?) Because I have seen "la" used with vowel-ending words. For example "la junypre" (on http://teddyb.org/~rlpowell/hobbies/lojban/palm/index.html) -Anand PS: Is kaglek an acceptable lojbanization of "Anand," which means "happiness/joy" in Hindi?