Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-beginners); Sat, 14 Jul 2007 21:54:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1I9w7e-0004nC-Bd for lojban-beginners-real@lojban.org; Sat, 14 Jul 2007 21:54:18 -0700 Received: from 25.mail-out.ovh.net ([213.186.37.103]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with smtp (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1I9w7Z-0004my-K9 for lojban-beginners@lojban.org; Sat, 14 Jul 2007 21:54:17 -0700 Received: (qmail 21837 invoked by uid 503); 15 Jul 2007 04:54:33 -0000 Received: (QMFILT: 1.0); 15 Jul 2007 04:54:33 -0000 Received: from b6.ovh.net (HELO mail4.ha.ovh.net) (213.186.33.56) by 25.mail-out.ovh.net with SMTP; 15 Jul 2007 04:54:33 -0000 Received: from b0.ovh.net (HELO queue-out) (213.186.33.50) by b0.ovh.net with SMTP; 15 Jul 2007 04:54:13 -0000 Received: from 75.116-225-89.dsl.completel.net (75.116-225-89.dsl.completel.net [89.225.116.75]) by ssl0.ovh.net (IMP) with HTTP for ; Sun, 15 Jul 2007 06:54:13 +0200 Message-ID: <1184475253.4699a875b77af@ssl0.ovh.net> Date: Sun, 15 Jul 2007 06:54:13 +0200 From: m.kornig@sondal.net To: lojban-beginners@lojban.org Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: transforming sentences References: <200707141406.10472.phma@phma.optus.nu> In-Reply-To: <200707141406.10472.phma@phma.optus.nu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) 3.2.6 X-Originating-IP: 89.225.116.75 X-Spam-Score: 0.2 X-Spam-Score-Int: 2 X-Spam-Bar: / X-archive-position: 5210 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: m.kornig@sondal.net Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-beginners@lojban.org X-list: lojban-beginners Content-Length: 1242 Selon Pierre Abbat : > Thursday I went to CPCC What's CPCC? > to find out what courses to take, and as part of the > process I took a test in which I had to transform sentences or correct errors > in sentences. Would that be useful in learning Lojban? For instance, take {mi > pilno lo me'andi lo nu skagau lei kerfa} and rewrite it using {pi'o}. > 1. mi skagau lo me'andi te pi'o lei kerfa > 2. mi skagau lei kerfa pi'o lo me'andi > 3. mi skagau lei kerfa se pi'o lo me'andi > 4. lo me'andi cu skagau lei kerfa pi'o mi Personally, I think correcting errors may be reasonable for more advanced students. There is a little risk however that learners may actually learn/memorize the mistakes and thus be confused. Beginners and "weak" students are probably better off by seeing, listening to and repeating lots of correct sentences. I guess, the general rule for writing textbooks is "avoid/correct as many errors as possible". Transforming sentences (like "replace one sumti for another", "make negatives", "say the opposite", "replace a sumti by a pro-sumti", "simplify word order", "make yes/no questions", "give short/long answers", "change tenses", "give orders", etc.) are good exercises at any level. Martin