Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-beginners); Tue, 14 Aug 2007 06:44:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1IKwhJ-0002bG-U9 for lojban-beginners-real@lojban.org; Tue, 14 Aug 2007 06:44:38 -0700 Received: from nf-out-0910.google.com ([64.233.182.189]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1IKwhG-0002b6-CI for lojban-beginners@lojban.org; Tue, 14 Aug 2007 06:44:37 -0700 Received: by nf-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id 4so609036nfv for ; Tue, 14 Aug 2007 06:44:32 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=g9lqTO0fByXLRdZNoiqzpS8qjcEsfxSvhy13iPItcUxYn/QHLw/DOKfPnsTAWduprM4sP9EfmKB7upm1ghJSgK3AS95fnfBnXJK7Nygtvsb+FQkTybtoxD+83ZO1ZJSamgCyRbBjq1GXYMykHOKLFF+1+sUsMV1w1AcezK/oZ50= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=fCdF0TWCai4VlZfO4qgQ/NUBq8dPwhE9L8ZSFwr5TFMKYzswk9LQHipuM6iDM8zD/78Br7jgMYhZe+7+DrZwRsv/8n+qxGlPWph89wBpEOTptcS87gAW9JukBzLv6rpxe8SINFPWlDENvrtWOPk+dljrkmmVCimI1/W+QYD6+BY= Received: by 10.86.57.9 with SMTP id f9mr5608325fga.1187099072181; Tue, 14 Aug 2007 06:44:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.86.27.19 with HTTP; Tue, 14 Aug 2007 06:44:32 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <925d17560708140644g57af032bv49695fca87fa5741@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2007 10:44:32 -0300 From: "=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jorge_Llamb=EDas?=" To: lojban-beginners@lojban.org Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: le vinji vs lo vinji In-Reply-To: <2f91285f0708140559n1981eb32vd491bcdb7632abba@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by Ecartis Content-Disposition: inline References: <2f91285f0708130410g245818a8tc6038a3c7254a822@mail.gmail.com> <925d17560708130906y258edbe1m2854238c3041a975@mail.gmail.com> <2f91285f0708140559n1981eb32vd491bcdb7632abba@mail.gmail.com> X-Spam-Score: -0.0 X-Spam-Score-Int: 0 X-Spam-Bar: / X-archive-position: 5362 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: jjllambias@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-beginners@lojban.org X-list: lojban-beginners Content-Length: 1072 On 8/14/07, Vid Sintef wrote: > On 8/13/07, Jorge Llambías wrote: > > If the child wanted to say, for example, "I like theme parks with airplanes", then the correct choice would be {lo}, because he would not have any particular airplanes in mind. > > Even if what he wanted to refer to did not really fit for the place > structure of {vinji}? No, the extended sense should fit the place structure. That's why I have problems with the overspecific place structures given to some gismu. > I mean, what if the child asked someone about > this "airplane": {fi mo seljakne cu ba vinji ti mi}? (You need {lo} there: {lo mo seljakne}) .i la'a lo te vinji cu dikca gi'e nai se jakne > Can that plate also be saying {fi'i ko se vinji ti}, while it cannot > be more specific like {fi'i ko se vinji ti lo banli seljakne} since > there isn't such a thing which really propells the ride into the sky? I'm not sure what kind of ride you have in mind, but it might be: fi'i do'u ko se vinji ti lo banli vraga mu'o mi'e xorxes