Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-beginners); Thu, 16 Aug 2007 08:58:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1ILhjX-0005Jl-1P for lojban-beginners-real@lojban.org; Thu, 16 Aug 2007 08:58:03 -0700 Received: from nf-out-0910.google.com ([64.233.182.191]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1ILhjT-0005JD-1J for lojban-beginners@lojban.org; Thu, 16 Aug 2007 08:58:02 -0700 Received: by nf-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id 4so143570nfv for ; Thu, 16 Aug 2007 08:57:56 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=R6gRhcPpAHVl4A8qraOWPN4YUGreCNXTOB+ErzFh4DGrUayErwNqSBjrLCVrmxqDPw5iQl6N5AHCGeTKnNYymdkgqWDuDfsN85GtSvgq1HQVIf8vwr+2j3jBSvAqIS438Qz+tkJNgtC/p0FJDhZ7ldCDj2P6JSRBNJb3wxpkYgw= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=ZIaatc3fVdq+GKwVWS3AQQWQKL/z8fQCwg7FjcVDmhkrVYySEh9RqoWFAXiDLv2W0l0dKxJ7/osI0eVui/rf50i/4IUEUMwNjG63vcK5qTetGSbaiz8ELRUvSorrtnhdiK9ETH/11wnHQ4A3g1qKN3K39ZCgWWHlSSPO1TDc2zg= Received: by 10.86.77.5 with SMTP id z5mr1369782fga.1187279875372; Thu, 16 Aug 2007 08:57:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.86.27.19 with HTTP; Thu, 16 Aug 2007 08:57:55 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <925d17560708160857g6f5eb9fdr7ad0532a1b1749d1@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2007 12:57:55 -0300 From: "=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jorge_Llamb=EDas?=" To: lojban-beginners@lojban.org Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: anti-Zipfian gismu rant In-Reply-To: <46C33A64.4080306@lojban.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <46BBDB4D.6020401@lojban.org> <398993.4184.qm@web56403.mail.re3.yahoo.com> <925d17560708100554m6232d274ua912df386fd715b7@mail.gmail.com> <46BC6554.7080409@lojban.org> <925d17560708100638n2ed68814q94f8d9c2f4e5ebf1@mail.gmail.com> <46BC81B9.8090002@lojban.org> <925d17560708100922k6d111266o50236ff063bdc189@mail.gmail.com> <46C2F02C.4000105@lojban.org> <925d17560708150631q439ad77cr939d47c767988ac4@mail.gmail.com> <46C33A64.4080306@lojban.org> X-Spam-Score: -0.0 X-Spam-Score-Int: 0 X-Spam-Bar: / X-archive-position: 5374 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: jjllambias@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-beginners@lojban.org X-list: lojban-beginners Content-Length: 545 On 8/15/07, Robert LeChevalier wrote: > > I believe that we considered "modification pair" as a keyword. It > didn't fly with those that we asked. Maybe something like "predicate phrase" or "phrasal predicate", it would even have been autological! :) But at this point, all we can do is point out that "tanru" does not mean "metaphor", a tanru need not be metaphoric, "metaphor" cannot be translated as "tanru", etc. i.e. there is very little connection between the meanings of "tanru" and "metaphor". mu'o mi'e xorxes