Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-beginners); Sun, 19 Aug 2007 12:58:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1IMqui-000777-LG for lojban-beginners-real@lojban.org; Sun, 19 Aug 2007 12:58:21 -0700 Received: from mu-out-0910.google.com ([209.85.134.187]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1IMqug-00076t-3N for lojban-beginners@lojban.org; Sun, 19 Aug 2007 12:58:20 -0700 Received: by mu-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id i10so1574322mue for ; Sun, 19 Aug 2007 12:58:15 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=tO7AbU5JEaVDs2mYun2iJ/poTFj2rPB273BRXGyAoHCmkmHggHiNkz948G4ZuYEU9zapvVex7n2B9W2yt5DkbnZyvAlbtZvzo7GUTd5+fWcGJtyyfbOZBPLcTkyNXthhyTq0xWY8UbE0XXcqZVhzKt6//mpW66JmCMzNNquWyr0= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=XaWsDeKHVS62WOtxvGQ7b77D/ucUzopNgJavNnME5I9mkiZrWvRZPBPnDJSrC/cz//56IxkhrFuee5Yn6pkm4hlJl57+J4I2LPOXU8yLe1yKZPtSQ/pqcI3mCs1Nmu3oo6VqYWd1ynYKaTjUswH5in6/tYvVvuNKgPxeL+5T7Kk= Received: by 10.86.3.2 with SMTP id 2mr3900581fgc.1187553495707; Sun, 19 Aug 2007 12:58:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.86.27.19 with HTTP; Sun, 19 Aug 2007 12:58:15 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <925d17560708191258w84f9959td9acaa271a282733@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sun, 19 Aug 2007 16:58:15 -0300 From: "=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jorge_Llamb=EDas?=" To: lojban-beginners@lojban.org Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: "technology" In-Reply-To: <2f91285f0708190626w6e287dacw5afc9c3bddc98274@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <200708191020.GAA07416@Sparkle.Rodents.Montreal.QC.CA> <2f91285f0708190626w6e287dacw5afc9c3bddc98274@mail.gmail.com> X-Spam-Score: 0.0 X-Spam-Score-Int: 0 X-Spam-Bar: / X-archive-position: 5387 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: jjllambias@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-beginners@lojban.org X-list: lojban-beginners Content-Length: 1230 On 8/19/07, Vid Sintef wrote: > On 8/19/07, der Mouse wrote: > > > What's the difference between the x1 and the x2 of {larcu}? > > > > Well, I'm hardly authoritative. But, as I read the gismu list, an > > example might be, x1 is the building of a beautiful house where x2 is > > carpentry. But would "carpentry" itself not be an appropriate value for x1? Would "building beautiful houses" not be an appropriate value for x2? Is x1 a particular event and x2 a general type of event? le nu zbasu le vi melbi zdani cu larcu lo nu zbasu lo melbi zdani "Building this beautiful house is a 'larcu' of building beautiful houses"? > Another example would be, > Braque's "Woman and a guitar" (x1) is an art of cubism (x2). The gismu list suggests that x1 is a process, and x2 an activity (or an idea?). I find that very confusing. A work of art as a process? Cubism as an activity or idea? Is x1 the work of art or the event of making a work of art? Or either? Is x2 the generic type of events of which x1 is a particular instance? How do we say in Lojban: Braque's "Woman and a guitar" is a work of art. Cubism is a style of painting. Painting is an art. mu'o mi'e xorxes