Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-beginners); Wed, 01 Aug 2007 22:00:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1IGSnV-0000EF-V5 for lojban-beginners-real@lojban.org; Wed, 01 Aug 2007 22:00:31 -0700 Received: from phma.optus.nu ([166.82.175.165] helo=ixazon.dynip.com) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1IGSnS-0000E7-5g for lojban-beginners@lojban.org; Wed, 01 Aug 2007 22:00:29 -0700 Received: from chausie (unknown [192.168.7.4]) by ixazon.dynip.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 43827CE7F1 for ; Thu, 2 Aug 2007 01:00:16 -0400 (EDT) From: Pierre Abbat To: lojban-beginners@lojban.org Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: Propositional vs. predicate was: Firefox Add-on Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2007 01:00:03 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.5 References: <1185834413.46ae65add169c@ssl0.ovh.net> <2f91285f0707310810l32b77e7ao5062ff143cd7c028@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <2f91285f0707310810l32b77e7ao5062ff143cd7c028@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200708020100.03727.phma@phma.optus.nu> X-Spam-Score: 0.1 X-Spam-Score-Int: 1 X-Spam-Bar: / X-archive-position: 5283 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: phma@phma.optus.nu Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-beginners@lojban.org X-list: lojban-beginners Content-Length: 500 On Tuesday 31 July 2007 11:10, Vid Sintef wrote: > We shouldn't confuse the nature of Lojban brivla's definition with > that of natural language counterparts. Remember, Lojban is based on > predicate logic, not propositional logic on which most natlangs are > based. Propositional logic doesn't say anything about predicates and their arguments. How does being based on propositional logic result in natlangs having accusative or ergative alignment instead of numbered place structures? Pierre