Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-beginners); Fri, 14 Sep 2007 00:10:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1IW5Jj-00026N-6N for lojban-beginners-real@lojban.org; Fri, 14 Sep 2007 00:10:19 -0700 Received: from web27704.mail.ukl.yahoo.com ([217.146.177.238]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with smtp (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1IW5Jf-000266-KJ for lojban-beginners@lojban.org; Fri, 14 Sep 2007 00:10:18 -0700 Received: (qmail 57766 invoked by uid 60001); 14 Sep 2007 07:10:09 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.co.uk; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=Ld3MxzXDNWXB1zR4gD7tKBQIcmC7orq+HFqmLo95N9nzxcXkT3hDIwKthp6DzqAppddD6vOqEJuaZVoBRb4Y8IWHQQSieozrAKXO851B7TLDdEc3LP82DhAI5QImS58uqCiIcw47XDcI+MnlXpAQsLrlOvKX0Qi4hZKrzOxpu+4=; X-YMail-OSG: PdIbL_EVM1kO0DiSh121frqViNN47Jr9w8j4pJZPDGT.i.yAJo3mx6PtKxxrUaMlgM0FFYINPYPoNjCR3Lst3s9sXZcjZnkqofJktt8guVvSMf6bKVHN5ERSIauCP4377YmQALBlP0XApQ-- Received: from [130.239.156.94] by web27704.mail.ukl.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 14 Sep 2007 07:10:08 GMT Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2007 07:10:08 +0000 (GMT) From: Isen hand Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: lei and loi To: lojban-beginners@lojban.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by Ecartis Message-ID: <930718.57719.qm@web27704.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> X-Spam-Score: 0.0 X-Spam-Score-Int: 0 X-Spam-Bar: / X-archive-position: 5431 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: isenhand@yahoo.co.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-beginners@lojban.org X-list: lojban-beginners Content-Length: 1544 Ok, so if you put a number in lei / loi it becomes the same as using lu’o? ----- Original Message ---- From: Pierre Abbat To: lojban-beginners@lojban.org Sent: Thursday, 13 September, 2007 11:18:03 PM Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: lei and loi On Thursday 13 September 2007 06:42, Isen hand wrote: > Hi, > > I’m slowly working my way through “lojban for Beginners” and > I have a question about lei and loi from page 34. From what I have > understood you use lei and loi for groups with out specifying the number. > That fits in with the example given of “loi nanmu cu bevri le pipno” but > then the next example “lei pano ninmu cu cinba mi” has a number in it. From > my understanding it should be “lei ninmu cu cinba mi”. Have I > misunderstood? {lei} and {loi} mark the sumti as a mass. It can have a number in it. Suppose that Bob and Jim are a surveying team, and call them {le re nanmu}. {lei re nanmu cu merli le tumla} could mean that Bob worked the total station and Jim walked around with a prism to the lot corners. But if le re nanmu cu merli le tumla, either they're both using robots, or Bob hooked a tape at one corner, pulled it to the other corner, and read it, then Jim hooked a tape and read it at the other corner. So each by himself measured the land, rather than the two together doing it. Pierre ___________________________________________________________ Yahoo! Answers - Got a question? Someone out there knows the answer. Try it now. http://uk.answers.yahoo.com/