Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-beginners); Mon, 17 Sep 2007 04:34:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1IXErc-0001fl-OW for lojban-beginners-real@lojban.org; Mon, 17 Sep 2007 04:34:14 -0700 Received: from smtp.mail.umich.edu ([141.211.93.161] helo=tombraider.mr.itd.umich.edu) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1IXErJ-0001f8-VF for lojban-beginners@lojban.org; Mon, 17 Sep 2007 04:33:59 -0700 Received: FROM [141.213.217.162] (bursley-217-162.reshall.umich.edu [141.213.217.162]) BY tombraider.mr.itd.umich.edu ID 46EE65D4.A68F5.29988 ; 17 Sep 2007 07:32:36 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) In-Reply-To: <366686.43136.qm@web27706.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> References: <366686.43136.qm@web27706.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <8460B908-FCAC-468E-9384-B10BA9FA1D5B@umich.edu> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by Ecartis From: Alex Martini Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: lei and loi Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2007 07:32:27 -0400 To: lojban-beginners@lojban.org X-Spam-Score: 0.0 X-Spam-Score-Int: 0 X-Spam-Bar: / X-archive-position: 5435 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: alexjm@umich.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-beginners@lojban.org X-list: lojban-beginners Content-Length: 923 On Sep 17, 2007, at 5:49 AM, Isen hand wrote: > [ li'o ] > Then the book goes on to say that “lu’o le" and "lu’o lo" are > useful concepts even without numbers, and there are shorter ways of > saying each > when no number comes between them: "lei" and "loi" respectivly My understanding is that this refers to inner and outer quantifiers. You can have things like {lu'o PA le PA broda} where you fill in PA with a number. So {lu'o le} can be replaced by {lei} but {lu'o PA le} can't. This is used for saying things like {two of the three dogs} = {re le/ lo ci gerku}. The meaning of the inner and outer quantifier, and whether to us {le} or {lo} for a particular situation depends on if you're using xorlo or CLL-style gadri. Side note -- in your message you used a bunch of line breaks in a row between paragraphs. Do you mind not doing that? It makes me have to scroll a *lot* to read. ki'esai!