Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-beginners); Thu, 11 Oct 2007 04:24:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1Ifw9o-0004N6-5z for lojban-beginners-real@lojban.org; Thu, 11 Oct 2007 04:24:48 -0700 Received: from phma.optus.nu ([166.82.175.165] helo=ixazon.dynip.com) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1Ifw9f-0004Mc-S4 for lojban-beginners@lojban.org; Thu, 11 Oct 2007 04:24:47 -0700 Received: from chausie (unknown [192.168.7.4]) by ixazon.dynip.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4B221CE6DB for ; Thu, 11 Oct 2007 07:24:13 -0400 (EDT) From: Pierre Abbat To: lojban-beginners@lojban.org Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: yet more beginner questions Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2007 07:24:09 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.5 References: <71550650710110250g10bc02c3y5892e00cdc6c07de@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <71550650710110250g10bc02c3y5892e00cdc6c07de@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-15" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200710110724.10121.phma@phma.optus.nu> X-Spam-Score: 0.1 X-Spam-Score-Int: 1 X-Spam-Bar: / X-archive-position: 5479 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: phma@phma.optus.nu Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-beginners@lojban.org X-list: lojban-beginners Content-Length: 1542 On Thursday 11 October 2007 05:50, Yoav Nir wrote: > Hi. > I'm new to studying lojban, and am working my way through "Lojban for > beginners" > > I have a few questions already. > > First, is how to spell my name. I know the English spelling doesn't give a > lot of clues (it's a Hebrew name). It's pronounced as two syllables, the > first is like "Yo" in yonder, the second "av" as in the first syllable of > "avril" in Spanish. I'm guessing that ioav won't cut it because of the > three consecutive vowels, so should it be io,av. Also am I supposed to > capitalize the second syllable (io,AV) to show where the stress is every > time, or is that optional? {ioav} is pronounced the same as {io,av} because {io} is a Lojban diphthong and {oa} isn't. If a name has an aleph in it, you can't pronounce it in Lojban as a glottal stop. Doing so would turn it into two words {io av}; the first marks the previous word with respect, and the second could be the name of a month. The stress must be indicated if it differs from the default. The default stress rule, though, was formulated for brivla, which don't have some vowel patterns that occur in cmevla: diphthongs with 'y', 'y' in two consecutive syllables, and 'y' in the last syllable. Then there are some languages that don't have a stress accent, and there's no way to indicate that a cmevla has no accent. > Second, I've read that lojban names have to end in a consonant, so if they > don't, we add one. My question is, do we pronounce the 's' in la meiris ? Yes. Pierre