Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-beginners); Wed, 17 Oct 2007 04:11:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1Ii6na-0006qh-TW for lojban-beginners-real@lojban.org; Wed, 17 Oct 2007 04:11:00 -0700 Received: from eastrmmtao101.cox.net ([68.230.240.7]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1Ii6nG-0006pb-QN for lojban-beginners@lojban.org; Wed, 17 Oct 2007 04:10:44 -0700 Received: from eastrmimpo02.cox.net ([68.1.16.120]) by eastrmmtao103.cox.net (InterMail vM.7.08.02.01 201-2186-121-102-20070209) with ESMTP id <20071017105813.MGTC11580.eastrmmtao103.cox.net@eastrmimpo02.cox.net> for ; Wed, 17 Oct 2007 06:58:13 -0400 Received: from [127.0.0.1] ([72.192.234.183]) by eastrmimpo02.cox.net with bizsmtp id 1Nvq1Y00J3y5FKc0000000; Wed, 17 Oct 2007 06:55:53 -0400 Message-ID: <4715EA99.7070605@lojban.org> Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2007 06:57:29 -0400 From: Robert LeChevalier User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.7 (Windows/20050923) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: lojban-beginners@lojban.org Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: Why not a new LfB text? References: <471546B5.7090304@lojban.org> <7B6BCEF8-5091-4346-8132-0E571DEA4400@umich.edu> In-Reply-To: <7B6BCEF8-5091-4346-8132-0E571DEA4400@umich.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Score: 0.0 X-Spam-Score-Int: 0 X-Spam-Bar: / X-archive-position: 5485 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: lojbab@lojban.org Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-beginners@lojban.org X-list: lojban-beginners Content-Length: 1179 Alex Martini wrote: >> The problem is that when people are confused over something in the >> two books, a xorlo supporter will explain things differently from a >> user who uses the baseline language. To them, the language has changed. > > Ah -- thanks for clarifying that point. I always thought that xorlo > *had* been officially adopted. That explains why LfB still uses gadri > like CLL. There seems to be more xorlo users active on the net, but it is indeed difficult to get a change actually approved (and most people are happy about this). A lot of us "old fogeys" are from the pre-Internet culture and aren't quite so visible, so one doesn't often see as much of the standard usage. This week, an old-timer from Finland indicated his opposition to xorlo as being malglico because it makes distinctions that are important in English that are not important in Finnish, and which he believes are undesirable in a logical language. It is a late objection, but it shows that xorlo is not universally approved of. The main question is whether there are any other solutions to issues in the baseline, that all of the community could accept. lojbab