Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-beginners); Wed, 17 Oct 2007 10:22:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1IiCan-0000jy-0A for lojban-beginners-real@lojban.org; Wed, 17 Oct 2007 10:22:01 -0700 Received: from web88003.mail.re2.yahoo.com ([206.190.37.190]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with smtp (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1IiCak-0000if-F5 for lojban-beginners@lojban.org; Wed, 17 Oct 2007 10:22:00 -0700 Received: (qmail 61168 invoked by uid 60001); 17 Oct 2007 17:21:51 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=rogers.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Message-ID; b=uSDQxYekgfcuzrf3tmd8LE7hqMQDiQ+flbvEhnhYOwDOpJLsIuT42EUVlygSSWaqedHS9jfZuz7Mh3WM8z1PWTvnTBtaK8Fm50XLJ95sCI5EJKZwm2g3RY+DMu/kjPX+uFFzNNtrHs/HTwqLHaEZ+slX07kNpiyc0JCYL+RChQA=; X-YMail-OSG: i2TUB2EVM1kl05Qrxc8s8E5.fqWnJMLL62MyRNL9XqCbai21rwsCF2PhJQ68yirIDCJRF9DDGw-- Received: from [99.229.22.94] by web88003.mail.re2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 17 Oct 2007 10:21:51 PDT Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2007 10:21:51 -0700 (PDT) From: ANDREW PIEKARSKI Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: Why not a new LfB text? To: lojban-beginners@lojban.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-829805777-1192641711=:59883" Message-ID: <559018.59883.qm@web88003.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-Spam-Score: 0.0 X-Spam-Score-Int: 0 X-Spam-Bar: / X-archive-position: 5486 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: totus@rogers.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-beginners@lojban.org X-list: lojban-beginners Content-Length: 3453 --0-829805777-1192641711=:59883 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable ----- Original Message ----=0AFrom: Robert LeChevalier = =0ATo: lojban-beginners@lojban.org=0ASent: Wednesday, October 17, 2007 6:57= :29 AM=0ASubject: [lojban-beginners] Re: Why not a new LfB text?=0A=0A=0ATh= ere seems to be more xorlo users active on the net, but it is indeed =0Adif= ficult to get a change actually approved (and most people are happy =0Aabou= t this). A lot of us "old fogeys" are from the pre-Internet culture =0Aand= aren't quite so visible, so one doesn't often see as much of the =0Astanda= rd usage.=0A=0AThis week, an old-timer from Finland indicated his oppositio= n to xorlo =0Aas being malglico because it makes distinctions that are impo= rtant in =0AEnglish that are not important in Finnish, and which he believe= s are =0Aundesirable in a logical language. It is a late objection, but it= shows =0Athat xorlo is not universally approved of. The main question is = whether =0Athere are any other solutions to issues in the baseline, that al= l of the =0Acommunity could accept.=0A=0ABut will this issue be an open one= forever, or is there a date by which we can expect a final decsion? Havin= g all of the community accept the change is surely an impossibility - in th= e meantime, confusion will reign unabated. Just how are such things decide= d?=0A=0Amu'o mi'e andrus --0-829805777-1192641711=:59883 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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From: Robert LeChevalier <lojbab@lojban.org>
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Th= ere seems to be more xorlo users active on the net, but it is indeed
di= fficult to get a change actually approved (and most people are happy
ab= out this).  A lot of us "old fogeys" are from the pre-Internet cu= lture
and aren't quite so visible, so one doesn't often see as much of = the
standard usage.

This week, an old-timer from Finland indicat= ed his opposition to xorlo
as being malglico because it makes distincti= ons that are important in
English that are not important in Finnish, an= d which he believes are
undesirable in a logical language.  I= t is a late objection, but it shows
that xorlo is not universally appro= ved of.  The main question is whether
there are any other sol= utions to issues in the baseline, that all of the
community could accep= t.
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But will this issue be an open one fore= ver, or is there a date by which we can expect a final decsion?  Havin= g all of the community accept the change is surely an impossibility - in th= e meantime, confusion will reign unabated.  Just how are such things d= ecided?

mu'o mi'e andrus
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